Noblesville Illini
- Nappanee, IN
Illinois #12 in 2/19 AP Poll
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Not there yet. They still have a good resume.
Noblesville Illini
- Nappanee, IN
Wisky and MSU are fringe top 25. They have to drop about 7-10 spots before biting nails starts
frozenrope9190
- Aurora, IL
Arkansas, yikes.Just a preseason poll refresher (we were 25)
7 of these teams are not currently ranked. Overall, much better than some of their totally non-biasedpreseason polls in the past.
Love triangles have a way of messing with team chemistry.
Not at all, Illinois and Wisconsin are basically equal at this point. They have the two best wins but they have 3 not great losses compared to Illinois with 1 (but Illinois has the worst loss). Their record is worse but their SOS is better. Illinois has better efficiency metrics. It's very close. Higher seed could easily go to who wins @ Wisconsin on 3/2.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
I ask this with genuine interest and am not playing devil's advocate: should those Marquette and N-UVa wins be discounted substantially because of Wisc's current slide or should we view those wins as the product of the same team (physically and psychologically) on the floor today?
Last season at this time of February our UCLA and Texas wins back in December gave me little comfort about our seeding and March prospects given the way we we'd just played at Penn State and Indiana. After the way we played at Ohio State a week later I felt those two wins might just as well have occurred when Ayo was in uniform two seasons earlier.
So, acknowledging that the resume indeed is not a "what have you done for me lately" document... shouldn't it be? Am curious what everyone thinks of that.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Yeah, reasonable people can disagree on this stuff.
If I were on the NCAA tournament committee I would be hold very firmly to "who have you beaten" taking precedence over anything else, timing, record, bad losses, even home/road/neutral, within reason.
The NCAA tournament is where good teams play, if you want in, show me you've beaten good teams.
And while there is still more complexity to that, I'm happy that the actual process is closer to my preferred view of it today than it ever has been.
(A subtle question-within-a-question: should making the bracket and seeding within the bracket be handled differently? I say no and I think the committee more or less says no but theoretically there could be a distinction there)
Its not just about having better wins. They have way worse losses than us.
We don't have a loss worse than Michigan, Rutgers and Penn St.
@ Michigan and home against Maryland are fairly comparable.
@ Rutgers and @ Penn State are "less bad" losses on a team sheet. Those are high-end Quad 2 games.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
This is where I start to get cranky about the quad system.
Penn State and especially Michigan are garbage teams, Maryland is something short of that.
The three worst losses in the Big Ten are the three teams that let Michigan get them, I don't care where the game was played.
No. Michigan is the worst team in the conference this year.
I get it but we don't have a loss worse than any of those 3 teams based off of Net rankings which is what you said.
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Huh? The Illinois worst loss is at home against Maryland(Kenpom #52). Their other losses are road losses against Tenn(5), Purdue(3), NU(47), and MSU(15) and home loss to Marquette(14).
Wisconsin lost at Providence(57), Arizona(4), Penn State(93), Nebraska(40), Michigan(104), Rutgers(83), Iowa(57) and home to Tennessee(5), and Purdue(3).
They don't have a bad home loss but I'd argue the Michigan and Penn State losses are worse then the Maryland loss even if it was at home(also minus TSJ). Realistically that 22 point loss to Rutgers is also probably worse then any Illini loss.
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
Neither team has a Q3 or Q4 loss, so neither team has a bad loss in the eyes of the committee.
Home/Away makes a big difference in resumes.
Not in this case. They lost to the worst team in the conference. I don't care if it was played on Mars. And as I and another has said their 3 worst losses are worse than our worst. What was originally stated is that we have the worst loss out of the two teams is incorrect.
They're all quad 2 losses.
Where a loss happen does make a difference, from a resume perspective.
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