Illinois #14 in 2/12 AP Poll

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danielb927

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lstewart53x3 said:
No, not necessarily. Here‘s the equation for NET.

The formula below is how each team‘s net ranking is derived.

The NCAA selection committee then looks at the NET rankings for the teams you’ve played and looks at how you performed in those games based on the Quadrant each team is in. So your own team’s net ranking isn’t necessarily used in seeding you - more so the net rankings of the teams you’ve played and whether or not you won those games.

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I believe this graphic is outdated. This is the revised version as of the 2020-21 season, per link:

Notably, scoring margin is no longer used directly - however, it's still a major part of the "efficiency" number, so it's still a major factor. I would have to think that "Adjusted NET Efficiency" is very similar to KenPom, Torvik, and other ratings systems, so the "Team Value Index" is really what differentiates NET from the others.

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Going with 13….

Don’t think winning against Michigan/Maryland moves the needle a ton and the rest of top 15 pretty much won out.
 
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ChiefGritty

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sacraig said:
They didn't. We should be no worse than 12 since South Carolina got beat twice (and once was a brutal drubbing) and Auburn lost once. We should jump those two. I'd be surprised if we get higher.
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If I'm a voter I'm getting pretty sick of UNC's BS, but yeah, no chance we pass Kansas or Marquette or Purdue or anyone who didn't lose.
 
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sacraig said:
In fairness, voters probably could be getting tired of us dropping a game roughly once every other week, too.
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This applies to just about everyone at this point of the season. Illinois stays in the top 15 because all the other teams lose games too. There are only 3 major conference teams with less than 5 losses, and those are the top 3 teams in the country. There are really good teams with 5,6,7 losses right now that will add to that total before the end of the season
 
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sbillini said:
Has anyone ever taken the gmat? This is just like that. Questions keep getting harder or easier until you plateau - alternating between right and wrong answer - and that becomes your score. Seems like the Illini know what their ranking should be.
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No, I was an ASVAB kinda guy. Once you answered 2 + 1 correctly, a light came on and they cloaked you, and put a piece of paper on the table, and helped you trace your name on the line
 
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ChiefGritty

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PMoola said:
This applies to just about everyone at this point of the season. Illinois stays in the top 15 because all the other teams lose games too. There are only 3 major conference teams with less than 5 losses, and those are the top 3 teams in the country. There are really good teams with 5,6,7 losses right now that will add to that total before the end of the season
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True, but I'm definitely putting the likes of Baylor and Auburn and Iowa State ahead of UNC now, I just think those are better teams at this moment. Maybe St. Mary's too.
 
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PMoola said:
This applies to just about everyone at this point of the season. Illinois stays in the top 15 because all the other teams lose games too. There are only 3 major conference teams with less than 5 losses, and those are the top 3 teams in the country. There are really good teams with 5,6,7 losses right now that will add to that total before the end of the season
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Yup. Other than a couple elite teams (UConn and maybe Purdue or Houston), there are about 20 teams that are hard to order. Almost no difference between #5 and #18.
 
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Fighter of the Nightman

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Echoing some of the ideas posted earlier by @ChiefGritty, I definitely appreciate that the AP Poll serves a quirky, possibly antiquated way of ranking teams that indeed incorporates a "narrative" and is thus obviously more subjective ... and I believe in the age of NET Rankings and KenPom that this DOES serve a valuable purpose. Just as I can bury myself in Excel and use our financial analysis as the underpin of our conclusion we give to the client, it's ALWAYS helpful to step back, look at things from 30,000 feet and come up with a bit more of a nuanced view to compliment that data-driven one.

In addition to rewarding "which team is hot," the AP voters seem to give leniency to teams that they decided were good long ago - something that is definitely benefitting Illinois. I feel like the AP Poll is kind of like an initial "gut feeling" ranking of what the voters honestly believe are the top 25 best teams, but it then functions as a bit of a game/points system where your weekly results bump you up or down. There is a certain nostalgia to that for me, and I will always appreciate that the top 25 represents your standing "among the college basketball world" in a way the computer rankings do not.
 
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JSpence said:
They are trying to derive trips down the court from basic stats. They are surely trying to do that because not every game is going to have a ready log of each play.

The 0.475 must be a rough estimate for change-of-possession fouls, affected by and-ones, made/missed front ends, etc.
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👍 Sounds right.
 
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