Illinois 21, South Carolina 17 Postgame

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#701      
Another long one, friends. tl;dr... 🙏🙏:illinois:❤️

This morning I've slowly savored all 22 pages (so far) of the post-game comment thread. What strikes me most is not that we won; nor that we won in what was an-end-to-end battle in which we simply ran the ball down the throat of our allegedly-superior opponent; nor that our beloved HC split open the skull of his counterpart, rammed an 80-inch large screen and sectional sofa into his cortex, cracked open a magnum, kicked up his feet, and relaxed there for the entire second half (and likely into March 2025.)

No. Two things strike me. First, the last time I felt like this at the end of an Illini football campaign was on January 2, 1990. I was living in a little house on East John Street in the home stretch of grad school. That season the Bill McCartney-coached Buffs (which ended up at #4) embarrassed us in Boulder in September on national TV, and then we lost a heartbreaker to Michigan (which ended up at #7) at home in what was the battle for the BT title that year. (I sat ~ at the goal line in the east balcony on an unseasonably warm Veterans Day late afternoon for that one.) We beat Virginia (#16) in the Citrus Bowl on New Year's Day and finished 10-2 (#10 in the nation.) We had what appeared to be an excellent, seasoned head coach who had turned us around in merely two seasons in part because of the dumb luck of landing Jeff George after Purdue adopted an option offense (Texas giveth by firing Fred Akers, who moved to Purdue in 1987; Texas taketh away in 1991 by hiring Mackovic.) The future looked bright. I wore shades.

Anyway: January 2, 1990. I had just turned 24 and life, with all its sparkling promise and none of its obscured disappointments, stretched out before me. I turned 59 last week and much of what I'm likely to enjoy in this life (and I've been fortunate to enjoy great, quiet riches) is in the rearview mirror.

That's how long it has been. Thirty-five years. And I gotta tell you: this feels MUCH better than January 2, 1990 felt. More sustainable, richer, and more satisfying because of the perspective that an accumulation of years affords and who the man at the helm is and has become. And, more importantly, it feels much warmer and richer because of all of you here on the Board. I watched us prevail yesterday with a dear Illini brother whom I met on this Board and who has suffered through a handful more heartbreaking Illini seasons than I have. His friendship in itself is a gift beyond reckoning. Dan, and all of you, enabled it, and at a time when I was near the bottom of this life.

The second thing that strikes me: how serenely happy I am for all of you here on the Board and, more importantly, for the young gladiators who gave everything on the field this year, and those who coached and supported them. How happy I am for how happy all of you are. How nearly all of us expected nothing in August (please, Lord, let us reach 0.500 and play on a Thursday evening in Detroit on ESPNU in mid-December), and yet received everything from these boys.

And then, well, yeah... there were those helmets yesterday. 🔥 🔥 🔥

I will take to my deathbed the desperate thrill of sitting in SHI Stadium and watching us break the huddle on 4th and 13 with seconds remaining and absolutely no hope of a win over Rutgers. The wind had been brisk, cold and swirling all day. The oblique, late-afternoon November sunlight cast sharp, crepuscular rays through low-slung cumulus clouds the sizes of small islands, passing grandly and low above the field under a brilliant, azure canopy. It was beautiful and heartbreaking. I literally thought to myself in that moment as I felt the pit in my stomach: "This is the price of caring so much." The air of November, I swear I remember it that way.

All was lost. And then, in a moment, it wasn't.

Those boys gave that to us and to themselves and I shall never forget how it all felt. This season front to back, and that ineffable moment in New Jersey when Pat turned the corner with six seconds remaining and nothing but open space separating him and Victory Illinois Varsity.

My 20-year-old daughter was in our kitchen on my birthday last week and noticed on my fridge the 3-D postcard the Alumni Association sent this fall portraying Memorial Stadium in the '20s. "That's so beautiful, Dad," she exclaimed. "Where is it?" I explained. I pointed out the Colonnades and explained the meaning of "Memorial" Stadium. She's a junior at Virginia Tech. At the head of its expansive quad, called the Drillfield, is a stirring monument to fallen soldiers who were VT students. It's similar to our Colonnades, and it's called the Pylons. There are eight of them symbolizing Brotherhood, Honor, Leadership, Sacrifice, Service, Loyalty, Duty, and the university's motto, Ut Prosim ("That I May Serve"). So she really understood Memorial Stadium, and in that moment the decades separating us collapsed and we bonded just a wee bit more.

I pointed out the space in front of the grand north entrance to the stadium, where IMPE would eventually be built in the '60s; and the large parade ground across Peabody Drive where in the late '50s Snyder and Scott Halls, my homes for four years as an undergrad, affording me a view through Memorial Stadium to the roof of that global architectural gem, Assembly Hall, would be built.

"That was my home, sweetheart," I said. But I was mistaken. That IS my home. And it will ever be thus until I return to dust.

We love no other. Thanks to our glorious team. Thanks to all of you for hanging out here in the family room of our Illini lives. Happy 2025. It's going to be as wonderful in all its imperfect facets as each of us are. We'll make it so.

:illinois:
Who’s cutting the onions?!

Eloquent, articulate, perfect.
 
#702      
this is my somewhat weird reason I always liked him :
i’m 3rd generation Dutch immigrant and so are 90% of the midwest dutch . Bret is also . I don’t know him or any of his family , but I know lots of people just like him . if you went to one of my family reunions , seriously 1/2 the guys look just like him . my dad did especially .

so I always liked him for these odd cultural reasons . Iowa , Mich & Wiscy are also full of these small dutch towns & I always figured he was Iowa dutch as I didn’t know any Bielemas .

At some point after he was fired from Arky I found out he was from Prophetstown . When it became obvious to most of us that Lovie wasn’t the answer , I had him on my personal watch list. I was well aware he had a bad reputation among many of our fandom , so I really didn’t think Josh felt differently and never gave him a chance for our possible opening . imagine my surprise when we all found out Lovie was canned and that BB was already in discussions with JW . I really thought we were going to go after LL, who was out plan B .

So i have these obscure cultural reasons for wanting Bielema , and also why I follow coaches like DeBoer , DeVries & Spoelstra with interest . If you are dutch , you know dutch names
If ya ain't dutch, ya ain't much.

Edit: I'm not much.
 
#703      
I know there's many South Carolina fans, general CFB fans, and national media that are saying we played unethical, dirty, insert adjective here. And while we certainly did nothing against the rules, I can see where they are coming from.
I’m just not seeing this. What did we do that was unethical or dirty? We played a very clean game, with only two penalties for 15 yards.

With Beamer screaming constantly at the officials, why did they never throw a flag or even so much as WARN us? Because we meticulously followed the rules. Don’t like it? Then petition for a rules change, but stop the whining.

But until the rules change, maybe reconsider the timing of your offensive substitutions? Only a football fool makes a second substitution like he did in the 4th quarter. Beamer shot himself in the foot and blamed us. How was that our fault? He’s just a hot headed slow learner.
 
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I’m just not seeing this. What did we do that was unethical or dirty? We played a very clean game, with only two penalties for 15 yards.

With Beamer screaming constantly at the officials, why did they never throw a flag or even so much as WARN us? Because we meticulously followed the rules. Don’t like it? Then petition for a rules change, but stop the whining.

But until the rules change, maybe reconsider the timing of your offensive substitutions. Only a football fool makes a second substitution like he did in the 4th quarter. Beamer shot himself in the foot and blamed us. How was that our fault? He’s just a hot headed slow learner.
Its just the way we sub within the existing rules. Not illegal, but we push it right to the very edge and we've been doing it all season, and I am here for every bit of it.
 
#705      
So she didn't talk too much about it other than confirming that unfortunately he is for sure leaving and that entering the portal and returning sadly does not seem to be in the cards. She didn't give any huge details other than saying that he didn't really feel appreciated here.

Reading between the lines, I'd guess he thought he should have either won the starting spot to begin with or replaced Robertson midway through the season. She was surprised I knew who she was cheering for when she'd scream, "Go Declan" on extra points. I told her he has a great leg and a lot of us were thinking he'd be our punter next year and were looking forward to him winning the job. She said she'd pass it along and he'd be psyched he has a fan, but yeah... certainly seemed that he's gone for good according to her.
 
#706      
I agree at first blush that clip looks bad, perhaps only because he happens to be looking at the sideline when it happened, but it looks to me like he got a sudden leg cramp. Just a few weeks ago I had a body pump class at the gym and later that evening was getting frisky with Ms. Frumundawood when both hamstrings cramped at the same time. The rest of the world ceased to exist until I got those cramps figured out. I don’t think Hood even came back in the game afterwards, did he? Pretty expensive for a mini-timeout, no?
 
#707      
We had at most 1 fake injury on D? I only recall two players going down and the one before the infamous BB "taunt" was obviously real.

We have been doing that slow D substitution all season long, have any other coaches cried about it?
 
#708      
What they did on the fair catch was not illegal but out of the norm. What we do on subs, one could argue, Beamer would argue, is not illegal but out of the norm. Seems like both coaches were frustrated with the opposing team's ways in those circumstances.

Overall, pretty bizarre situation with their coach constantly screaming at the officials the whole game and absolutely charging at Bret there in the 3rd QTR.
 
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#709      
Now back home from the game and man what a game it was. I still can't stop grinning ear to ear getting to see one of the greatest wins in the entirety of my Illini Fandom. There's a lot to say about the game, but much of that has been said in the 26 previous pages. But what I can add is my experience with South Carolina fans:

The stadium was probably nearing 60/40 Carolina as it looked like the SEC side was a bit fuller than the B10 side despite more tickets being sold on the B10 side. As well there were a large amount of Carolina fans who bought up sides in the first few rows on the B10 side. I was in one of those areas 2 rows from the field with more Gamecocks fans around me than Illini fans (though I was right next to Declan Duley's girlfriend- more on that later).

1. Overall I thought their fans were nice, respectful, and were good company who were there to cheer for their team. There's always bad apples, but honestly, I walked away more appreciative of them than what I saw of their coach and team on the field.

2. The Carolina fanbase seemed more organized and louder especially at the beginning of the game. However, they couldn't sustain that intensity for any large amount of time as the play of our team took them out of it.

3. When Carolina went up 10-7 and picked Luke off, the crowd noise and momentum was really starting to pick up and their fans were ready to explode. The extremely timely forced fumble and recovery put an end to that and their fanbase would not get any louder the rest of the game.

4. Beamer going ballistic had an untalked about effect on the fans there: For much of the first half it felt like much of the Illini crowd was just happy to be there and sit and watch some football. After that Beamer-Bielema exchange, the sea of orange turned into a tempest. Huge swaths of orange stood and cheered with an organized intensity that reminded me of the early 00s through the rest of the game. Momentum had completely shifted and as the game went on, the Illini Fandom and cheers took over the stadium, absolutely dwarfing the South Carolina faithful. The Illini Fandom was no longer just happy to be there, they believed they were they to win. Thanks, Beamer!

5. From multiple South Carolina fans mouths:
5a. They could not believe our physicality. Many said "this was the hardest their players had been hit all season". That we were a "tough physical bruising team" that "pushed them around harder than anyone".
5b. Several said our Illini were "massively underrated" and they had no idea why the national media wasn't higher on us. A few even went to say that "Your Illini are better than 'Bama this season". Yes, straight from their mouths, and they played both Bama and us.
5c. Almost every South Carolina fan I talked to thought both teams played their hearts out and that we were simply the better team. "Better coached", "Smarter", "More physical", "Nastier", "CFP level team". "Illinois deserved to be talked about more as a potential playoff team".
5d. Most said "This was a great game" between "2 really really good teams"

6. The most interesting moment for me was right before that 3rd and 2 McCray run to clinch it. The South Carolina fans were restless, sounds muted for the situation, and one of their fans started shaking Illini fans hands, saying great win. When people were like, dude, there's 2 minutes left, he said "If you run it, we can't stop you. We've got nothing left." I looked to the crowd and saw the hopefulness and belief in all of our Illini fandom's eyes and the total lack of belief in the South Carolina fans, and I thought back to almost every major moment in the past decades where our fans looked like that. Sad, pitiful, depressed, knowing that we're going to lose despite there being all sorts of time and possibilities left. And to see those tables flipped. The feeling was something else. The entire stadium of orange believed we were getting that 1st down.

And then McCray comes bursting through a hole the size of the Grand Canyon. The perfect ending to a masterpiece.

I-L-L my brethren!
-I-N-I

Speaking of ILL/INI, it was clearly audible over TV. Well done.
 
#710      
Back in 2001, I was a junior at UI and was back home for Thanksgiving at Grandma’s house in a tiny hamlet an hour north of campus. I was able to talk my brother, in HS at the time, into leaving to go to the Northwestern game with me. (He also posts here but I’ll leave his name out to protect the innocent)

Everyone thought we were nuts for leaving the warmth of family Thanksgiving to drive to Champaign and sit in the cold. I told him, “Look, this is Illinois football and we don’t know when this might happen again, let’s go!” And we did.

We froze in the west main stands and watched the Illini grind out an ugly win against the Nurds, sang Illinois Loyalty as the players hosted the Big Ten Championship trophy, and headed back home. I was old enough at that time to not take it for granted—our success felt fragile—but never once thought it would be 23 YEARS before another 10 win Illini football season.

This has been an incredible season that has brought us all many moments of joy, and it’s one I’ll always remember. But this time around, it doesn’t feel like a one-off experience. Couldn’t be happier for what Josh and Bret have delivered here, and can’t wait to see what the future holds. Happy New Year everyone!
 
#712      
What they did on the fair catch was not illegal but out of the norm. What we do on subs, one could argue, Beamer would argue, is not illegal but out of the norm. Seems like both coaches were frustrated with the opposing team's ways in those circumstances.

Overall, pretty bizarre situation with their coach constantly screaming at the officials the whole game and absolutely charging at Bret there in the 3rd QTR.

Our late subbing is not out of the norm. SC would try to sub offensive personnel late after the radios shut off(less than 15seconds) on the playclock, and Bret would just take whatever time he wanted to. In a sense we were just using our D to do what they were trying to do on O.

If you watch the game again, notice that they couldn't do it back to us because we would sub early on the playclock.

The substitution rule makes it kind of pointless to try to do what they do on offense, so I don't know why they even bother.
 
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#713      
Now back home from the game and man what a game it was. I still can't stop grinning ear to ear getting to see one of the greatest wins in the entirety of my Illini Fandom. There's a lot to say about the game, but much of that has been said in the 26 previous pages. But what I can add is my experience with South Carolina fans:

The stadium was probably nearing 60/40 Carolina as it looked like the SEC side was a bit fuller than the B10 side despite more tickets being sold on the B10 side. As well there were a large amount of Carolina fans who bought up sides in the first few rows on the B10 side. I was in one of those areas 2 rows from the field with more Gamecocks fans around me than Illini fans (though I was right next to Declan Duley's girlfriend- more on that later).

1. Overall I thought their fans were nice, respectful, and were good company who were there to cheer for their team. There's always bad apples, but honestly, I walked away more appreciative of them than what I saw of their coach and team on the field.

2. The Carolina fanbase seemed more organized and louder especially at the beginning of the game. However, they couldn't sustain that intensity for any large amount of time as the play of our team took them out of it.

3. When Carolina went up 10-7 and picked Luke off, the crowd noise and momentum was really starting to pick up and their fans were ready to explode. The extremely timely forced fumble and recovery put an end to that and their fanbase would not get any louder the rest of the game.

4. Beamer going ballistic had an untalked about effect on the fans there: For much of the first half it felt like much of the Illini crowd was just happy to be there and sit and watch some football. After that Beamer-Bielema exchange, the sea of orange turned into a tempest. Huge swaths of orange stood and cheered with an organized intensity that reminded me of the early 00s through the rest of the game. Momentum had completely shifted and as the game went on, the Illini Fandom and cheers took over the stadium, absolutely dwarfing the South Carolina faithful. The Illini Fandom was no longer just happy to be there, they believed they were they to win. Thanks, Beamer!

5. From multiple South Carolina fans mouths:
5a. They could not believe our physicality. Many said "this was the hardest their players had been hit all season". That we were a "tough physical bruising team" that "pushed them around harder than anyone".
5b. Several said our Illini were "massively underrated" and they had no idea why the national media wasn't higher on us. A few even went to say that "Your Illini are better than 'Bama this season". Yes, straight from their mouths, and they played both Bama and us.
5c. Almost every South Carolina fan I talked to thought both teams played their hearts out and that we were simply the better team. "Better coached", "Smarter", "More physical", "Nastier", "CFP level team". "Illinois deserved to be talked about more as a potential playoff team".
5d. Most said "This was a great game" between "2 really really good teams"

6. The most interesting moment for me was right before that 3rd and 2 McCray run to clinch it. The South Carolina fans were restless, sounds muted for the situation, and one of their fans started shaking Illini fans hands, saying great win. When people were like, dude, there's 2 minutes left, he said "If you run it, we can't stop you. We've got nothing left." I looked to the crowd and saw the hopefulness and belief in all of our Illini fandom's eyes and the total lack of belief in the South Carolina fans, and I thought back to almost every major moment in the past decades where our fans looked like that. Sad, pitiful, depressed, knowing that we're going to lose despite there being all sorts of time and possibilities left. And to see those tables flipped. The feeling was something else. The entire stadium of orange believed we were getting that 1st down.

And then McCray comes bursting through a hole the size of the Grand Canyon. The perfect ending to a masterpiece.

I-L-L my brethren!
Thanks for writing up your experience at the game! Great job capturing the game environment!
 
#714      
In the moment, I had no idea what was going on when Beamer lost it as I was busy making pizzas in the kitchen with my kids. I thought he looked like a idiot without context, but once Bret put it in context, he looks even worse. I really had no emotional involvement until that moment and Bret's smirk when he then outplayed him again with the second substitution was just a cherry on top.

Also, hearing the sideline reporter talking is like listening to a home call sideline reporter, my goodness. "He taunted him, mommy, he taunted him!" It sounded like a big brother tattling that his little brother that finally got tired of his crap and fought back. Then you have the fat guy from The Hangover trying to use his head coaches psychotic break to pump up the crowd which was like starting a slow clap at the wrong time. Just top notch entertainment. It was almost a WWE moment. What a crazy way to end a year.

Go Illini.
It has been sooooo long since I heard this word I needed a minute in my head lol.
 
#715      
Our late subbing is not out of the norm. SC would try to sub offensive personnel late after the radios shut off(less than 15seconds) on the playclock, and Bret would just take whatever time he wanted to. In a sense we were just using our D to do what they were trying to do on O.

If you watch the game again, notice that they couldn't do it back to us because we would sub early on the playclock.

The substitution rule makes it kind of pointless to try to do what they do on offense, so I don't know why they even bother.
THIS!!! People don't understand that SC was initiating the game by subbing so late and they do so because they know most teams feel rushed to sub and either have the wrong personnel or the late subs discombobulated.
 
#717      
What they did on the fair catch was not illegal but out of the norm. What we do on subs, one could argue, Beamer would argue, is not illegal but out of the norm. Seems like both coaches were frustrated with the opposing team's ways in those circumstances.

Overall, pretty bizarre situation with their coach constantly screaming at the officials the whole game and absolutely charging at Bret there in the 3rd QTR.
The problem I have is that both arms out to the side while returning a punt or kick is unilaterally accepted by the officials as a signal for a fair catch. So if we interpret it the way Beamer wanted it that would mean that anytime a returner didn't get his arms above his shoulders on his signal the ball is still live and they would be fair game to get smoked and any kickoff team that gets the ball if it stays in play it would be theirs because not a real proper fair catch signal. I bet if we would have crushed their returner in the endzone Beamer would have been screaming for a flag. It can't be both ways. Bret and the Illini have dealt with the late substitutions all year long. This was one of the few times we used it in our favor. Usually we're the ones burning timeout because of it.
 
#719      
This will be dealt in one of the following manners.
1) The NCAA will make it a point of emphasis that the "T-bar" signal means absolutely nothing. Caveat emptor to anyone that uses it.
2) The signal is treated like a fair catch signal and codified into the rules as such. In other words, that signal followed by any normal football play will result in a delay of game penalty like what happens when a returner signals a fair catch and then runs after the punt.
3) Any kickoff into the end zone is a touchback like in high school. I don't see this happening, but it is an option.
 
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#720      
I thought I was the only one that felt this way. Amen brother, well said!
You are absolutely NOT the only one who thinks this. My thought was along the lines of "We've been screwed enough over the years. If people think we're the bad guy here, so what? Deal with it."

At some point, those who are continuously on the wrong end of doing things the right way just learn to do what's needed and dare others to be upset. As an Illinois fan, I've long since been at that point.
 
#721      
You are absolutely NOT the only one who thinks this. My thought was along the lines of "We've been screwed enough over the years. If people think we're the bad guy here, so what? Deal with it."

At some point, those who are continuously on the wrong end of doing things the right way just learn to do what's needed and dare others to be upset. As an Illinois fan, I've long since been at that point.
I could not care less what some talking head on ESPN says. I haven’t watched them in years and from what I read, they are rapidly losing viewers anyway .

BB is well respected within the fraternity and the industry . People know he coaches the right way
 
#722      
THIS!!! People don't understand that SC was initiating the game by subbing so late and they do so because they know most teams feel rushed to sub and either have the wrong personnel or the late subs discombobulated.
For as one-sided as the announcers were, even Roddy pointed this out. He said SC had "gotten themselves into trouble" with late second waves of subs, because of course we have every right to sub in response.

The subbing thing and the t-bar thing aren't comparable at all. One might be annoying to opposing fans but the other risks player safety. I won't be surprised if this game ends up in a more formal rule change.

Beamer was a maniac on the sideline all game. I truly believe this was because they whined about being left out of the CFP and thought they'd run away with this game as a way to further that case. They got punched in the mouth and never recovered, and he visibly spiraled on the sideline.

I know one thing, for a game that "didn't matter", their fans sure are salty about the loss. Some of the vitriol I've read on social media since we won has been way over the top. What a bunch of sore losers.
 
#723      
Its just the way we sub within the existing rules. Not illegal, but we push it right to the very edge and we've been doing it all season, and I am here for every bit of it.
Yes, good observation. We’ve adapted to the rules as part of our disciplined focus on clock management. If rules are revised again, we’ll just adapt again.

The rules define the game. Play the game but don’t whine about it. Propose a constructive change if you have a problem.
 
#724      
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Read until the end :ROFLMAO:
 
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