Illinois #24 in 11/27 AP Poll

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danielb927

Orange Krush Class of 2013
Rochester, MN
Absolutely have to take care of business against Rutgers, FAU and Mizzou in this stretch. Anything worse than 3-1 in this next 4 games is very concerning.

If we go 3-1 in the Rutgers/FAU/Tenn./Mizzou stretch, we're looking like a top 15 team. That'd be awesome.

2-2 wouldn't be "very" concerning in my view. That'd be about consistent with where we're at now (fringe top 25, 6 or 7 seed). But, I'd still be slightly concerned since I think we can be better than that.
 
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Let's put it this way..if we don't go 3-1 in that stretch I don't really see the vision for this team making it past the first weekend of the tournament.

I don’t see us making it past the first weekend regardless of what our record is in that stretch.
 
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I’m sorry I’m not paying attention to much else besides our games.

Is that Nebraska receiving votes?
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#33      
I’m sorry I’m not paying attention to much else besides our games.

Is that Nebraska receiving votes?
To be fair, I think they are receiving like 4 votes, and it was after this 7-0 start:

W vs. Lindenwood
W vs. Florida A&M
W vs. Rider
W vs. Stony Brook
W vs. Oregon State (Sioux Falls, SD)
W vs. Duquense
W vs. Cal State Fullerton

So yeah ... they have a lot left to prove. :ROFLMAO: With that said, they play at #15 Creighton this Sunday, so they'll get their chance.
 
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To be fair, I think they are receiving like 4 votes, and it was after this 7-0 start:

W vs. Lindenwood
W vs. Florida A&M
W vs. Rider
W vs. Stony Brook
W vs. Oregon State (Sioux Falls, SD)
W vs. Duquense
W vs. Cal State Fullerton

So yeah ... they have a lot left to prove. :ROFLMAO: With that said, they play at #15 Creighton this Sunday, so they'll get their chance.
Not to be a contrarian because you always post great stuff, but comparatively to Nebraska, who have we beaten? I'd like to beat someone of substance before casting stones. If we win on Saturday, Nebraska is fair game. Lol
 
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Uh, we beat the #1 team when they were #1...
If a scrimmage was counted as part of our record, it would be baked into the numbers and there'd be no comment. We'd be ranked in the top 15, we'd be projected to be a top 4 seed, etc. I should have been more specific. Of the games that mean something, we're at the same spot Nebraska is at. We've played all home games and have won against inferior competition. While I too laugh at the thought of Nebraska getting votes...of the games that actually matter, not sure that we have room to be laughing.
 
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If a scrimmage was counted as part of our record, it would be baked into the numbers and there'd be no comment. We'd be ranked in the top 15, we'd be projected to be a top 4 seed, etc. I should have been more specific. Of the games that mean something, we're at the same spot Nebraska is at. We've played all home games and have won against inferior competition. While I too laugh at the thought of Nebraska getting votes...of the games that actually matter, not sure that we have room to be laughing.

Both teams tried to win the game. We beat them. I don't care if it 'technically' doesn't count. Only reason to completely disregard the game would be to push a narrative (with yours being that we are equal to Nebraska, which everyone knows is completely absurd).

EDIT: Ok, I kind of see the point being made. Nebraska could actually be pretty good. We'll have to see. I don't think they are as good as Illinois, but time will tell. The rankings and analytics will continue to be very flawed for the next month or so.
 
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If a scrimmage was counted as part of our record, it would be baked into the numbers and there'd be no comment. We'd be ranked in the top 15, we'd be projected to be a top 4 seed, etc. I should have been more specific. Of the games that mean something, we're at the same spot Nebraska is at. We've played all home games and have won against inferior competition. While I too laugh at the thought of Nebraska getting votes...of the games that actually matter, not sure that we have room to be laughing.
Going off of an earlier post, I do think that the following two things (fairly or unfairly) count in our favor vs. Nebraska:

1. We were a preseason top 25 team. It is going to take less for us to "earn" our ranking and more for us to lose it, and that is just the way it is. I would even argue this is maybe fair ... it's not like they ranked us preseason randomly; we bring back a lot of talent from a team that showed flashes of being great last year. Someone has to fill out the top 25!

2. Exhibition or not, we beat #1 Kansas on national TV in a game where it CERTAINLY didn't feel like it "didn't count." Both teams played very hard, and we looked very good.

However, even if you take those two things away, I personally think playing (currently) #3 Marquette tough even in a loss is most assuredly more impressive than whatever Nebraska has done so far. :)
 
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danielb927

Orange Krush Class of 2013
Rochester, MN
I think what's happened since the exhibition is that we've realized that Kansas is not #1. They're a top-10 team, sure - but the drop in quality from the true #1 to teams in the 6-10 range is about the same as the drop from 6-10 to 31-40. In other words, beating a top-10 team at home is nothing to disregard, but it would also be the expectation for most ranked teams, so that result is not much of an outlier versus our performance the rest of the season.
 
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Not to be a contrarian because you always post great stuff, but comparatively to Nebraska, who have we beaten? I'd like to beat someone of substance before casting stones. If we win on Saturday, Nebraska is fair game. Lol
Oakland would sweep Nebraska's schedule thus far and we beat them, so by transference and conjecture, we are better than Nebraska.
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Seriously though, Kansas, much less Marquette, would annihilate Nebraska. I don't think that's even debatable. If the Huskers finish above .500 in conference this year, I will eat a Runza.
 
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Oakland would sweep Nebraska's schedule thus far and we beat them, so by transference and conjecture, we are better than Nebraska.
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Seriously though, Kansas, much less Marquette, would annihilate Nebraska. I don't think that's even debatable. If the Huskers finish above .500 in conference this year, I will eat a Runza.
I tried one when I moved here in 1985 and haven't had one since.
 
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Related to rankings, this is an interesting visual to show just how good we were for a while, then how bad we got, then what a turnaround the Underwood Era has truly been ... at least as it relates to AP rankings, which are indeed at least a large sample size of a program's popular image of being "a contender" in the college hoops world.

YEAR: Preseason Rank - Highest Rank of the Season - Final AP Ranking

2024: #25 - #23
2023: #23 - #16 - NR
2022: #11 - #10 - #19
2021: #8 - #2 - #2
2020: NR - #19 - #21
2019: NR - NR - NR
2018: NR - NR - NR
--- Begin Brad Underwood Era ---
2017: NR - NR - NR
2016: NR - NR - NR
2015: NR - #24 - NR
2014: NR - #23 - NR
2013: NR - #10 - NR
--- Begin John Groce Era ---
2012: NR - #19 - NR
2011: #13 - #12 - NR
2010: #23 - #20 - NR
2009: NR - #18 - NR
2008: NR - NR - NR
2007: NR - NR - NR
2006: #17 - #6 - #13
2005: #5 - #1 - #1
2004: #13 - #11 - #13
--- Begin Bruce Weber Era ---
2003: NR - #7 - #11
2002: #3 - #2 - #13
2001: #8 - #3 - #4
--- Begin Bill Self Era ---
2000: #16 - #15 - #21
--- Lon Kruger Era ---

It's entirely fair to argue that we have raised the ceiling to the point where fans can rightfully be frustrated with a lack of Tournament success (though I will argue 2021 vs. Loyola is the only "failure" of ours in March ... being robbed of 2020 was brutal, IMO), but the overall quality of team we have had the past four years is such an enormous improvement over what we had the previous decade, lol. No harm in stopping to appreciate that every once in a while.
 
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The FAU game, imo, is the most important one. Win and we get the benefit of beating a highly ranked team on a neutral court. Lose, and we're probably going to carry around some skeptics all year, unless we can beat Tennessee and/or Purdue.
Tennessee looked awfully tough yesterday coming back to make it close against N. Carolina like they did. It did look like that Kneckt guy from Tennessee screwed up his ankle pretty badly towards the end of the game, so maybe he doesn't play or is hobbled a bit. That would help us. He looked unstoppable on offense.
 
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Tennessee looked awfully tough yesterday coming back to make it close against N. Carolina like they did. It did look like that Kneckt guy from Tennessee screwed up his ankle pretty badly towards the end of the game, so maybe he doesn't play or is hobbled a bit. That would help us. He looked unstoppable on offense.
Yeah worst possible outcome for us, lol - Tennessee takes the L and likely drops in the rankings, but they look tough as hell. 😂
 
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Related to rankings, this is an interesting visual to show just how good we were for a while, then how bad we got, then what a turnaround the Underwood Era has truly been ... at least as it relates to AP rankings, which are indeed at least a large sample size of a program's popular image of being "a contender" in the college hoops world.

YEAR: Preseason Rank - Highest Rank of the Season - Final AP Ranking

2024: #25 - #23
2023: #23 - #16 - NR
2022: #11 - #10 - #19
2021: #8 - #2 - #2
2020: NR - #19 - #21
2019: NR - NR - NR
2018: NR - NR - NR
--- Begin Brad Underwood Era ---
2017: NR - NR - NR
2016: NR - NR - NR
2015: NR - #24 - NR
2014: NR - #23 - NR
2013: NR - #10 - NR
--- Begin John Groce Era ---
2012: NR - #19 - NR
2011: #13 - #12 - NR
2010: #23 - #20 - NR
2009: NR - #18 - NR
2008: NR - NR - NR
2007: NR - NR - NR
2006: #17 - #6 - #13
2005: #5 - #1 - #1
2004: #13 - #11 - #13
--- Begin Bruce Weber Era ---
2003: NR - #7 - #11
2002: #3 - #2 - #13
2001: #8 - #3 - #4
--- Begin Bill Self Era ---
2000: #16 - #15 - #21
--- Lon Kruger Era ---

It's entirely fair to argue that we have raised the ceiling to the point where fans can rightfully be frustrated with a lack of Tournament success (though I will argue 2021 vs. Loyola is the only "failure" of ours in March ... being robbed of 2020 was brutal, IMO), but the overall quality of team we have had the past four years is such an enormous improvement over what we had the previous decade, lol. No harm in stopping to appreciate that every once in a while.
That 2007 drop off was like falling off a cliff man. Hopefully we are in the 2 year valley of the underwood years and get a nice early 2000s run ahead of us!
 
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That 2007 drop off was like falling off a cliff man. Hopefully we are in the 2 year valley of the underwood years and get a nice early 2000s run ahead of us!
That 2015 to 2018 stretch - end of the Groce Era through the Underwood rebuilding years - REALLY looks bad up there, too. That truly was an almost unimaginable depth as far as fan hopefulness and enthusiasm went! I think what added to our collective mental breakdown during this depressing stretch was the 2010-2015 stretch being particularly maddening. We would always climb into the top 25 and literally never once finished there. Every season seemed like one step forward and two steps back ... and that proved to be the case!

The least hopeful I have literally ever felt as an Illini fan was the end of the 2015 season. We were sitting at 19-12 before the BTT, and we actually had some nice wins (including at MSU and vs. #11 Maryland), so we at least had a shot at the Tournament if we won some games in the BTT. You'd think in an 8/9 matchup we could at least expect to be competitive, but we then proceeded to lose 79-58 to a Michigan team that had literally just had a plane incident and had to play us in their practice jerseys ... pretty much knew we were screwed under Groce after that, lol.

Compare that to the end of the 2019 season - an absolute shellacking (82-63) at the hands of Iowa at the United Center to end our season and give us our 21st loss of the year. I was at that game, and it was rough. However, I walked away from that game with immense hope for our program with Underwood finally getting his players another year and watching a freshman Ayo.
 
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