Illinois 38, Michigan State 37 OT Postgame

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did anyone else wonder why MSU didn't go for two at the end of regulation?
Because there was still a minute plus on the clock and if we had to get a FG that is enough time to get in position for one and win the game. The other team is a lot more conservative if it’s a tie game and a turnover costs them the game in that last drive. If you go for 2 you want it to be a win/lose trade off - not a win/lose/lose scenario, the math doesn’t work then
 
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So what happened in the second half with our D? Did MSU do some different things? Better half time adjustments?
 
#253      
I'm not sure there is a P4 team with worse talent on D than us
The worst place on a football team to be bad is quarterback.

The second worst is defensive line, and in the college game it's a closer second than you'd think.

We don't have bulk, don't get push and can't set an edge. Everybody else is helpless and desperately forced to compensate in those circumstances.
 
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I believe Brett alluded in some interviews last week that Barnett doesnt know the playbook well enough.. That when hes in they only have limited options they can run. Has to do with pass protection and audibles.
If that's it, that's a problem now and going forward. By this point in the season, he should know it backwards and forwards, upside and down. If there's an inability to grasp the concepts, you can't audible, you could go the wrong direction, you can blow blocking schemes...... basically, you'll be the source of turnovers and will get your QB killed.
 
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The worst place on a football team to be bad is quarterback.

The second worst is defensive line, and in the college game it's a closer second than you'd think.

We don't have bulk, don't get push and can't set an edge. Everybody else is helpless and desperately forced to compensate in those circumstances.
Having bad linebackers is right up there. Our inability to find backs out of the backfield or keep the Tight Ends in check is glaring. They just lack the speed, quickness and athleticism to be effective. Its painfully obvious. That's almost impossible to coach. Once we add in the extremely poor tackling(which can be coached up)......this is what we end up with.
 
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This is our ninth straight season with at least one Big Ten win. This is now our longest such stretch since 1979-1996.

Maryland gives us the opportunity to make that nine straight seasons with MULTIPLE big ten wins.

Should we aim higher than this? Sure. Am I gonna celebrate this like i cherish the fact that we’ve never lost to an FCS team? Absolutely.
 
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This is our ninth straight season with at least one Big Ten win. This is now our longest such stretch since 1979-1996.

Maryland gives us the opportunity to make that nine straight seasons with MULTIPLE big ten wins.

Should we aim higher than this? Sure. Am I gonna celebrate this like i cherish the fact that we’ve never lost to an FCS team? Absolutely.
This fun fact is not so… fun. 🫤
 
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Having bad linebackers is right up there. Our inability to find backs out of the backfield or keep the Tight Ends in check is glaring. They just lack the speed, quickness and athleticism to be effective. Its painfully obvious. That's almost impossible to coach. Once we add in the extremely poor tackling(which can be coached up)......this is what we end up with.
A good DL that keeps LB's clean can make ordinary talent play up, and indeed has done that for Bielema's defenses here a lot.

The panicked "overreaction" during the portal season at us just being left without sufficient bodies, size or talent along the DL was in fact exactly as consequential in the trajectory of the program as it looked, it was an under-reaction if anything.
 
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It was close looked like he was just a hair past the line, then came back a little to get the ball
too close for refs to make the call in that situation thank goodness, but even the PI part of it was too close to call, IMO
It looked to me like the receiver was at the line of scrimmage. However he was not beyond the neutral zone. Good no call.
 
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A good DL that keeps LB's clean can make ordinary talent play up, and indeed has done that for Bielema's defenses here a lot.

The panicked "overreaction" during the portal season at us just being left without sufficient bodies, size or talent along the DL was in fact exactly as consequential in the trajectory of the program as it looked, it was an under-reaction if anything.
10000000000000% fact. If your DL can't keep OL from getting to the next level, it doesn't matter what you have. A pass rush makes your corners and safeties better and if the DL that can, at least, fight the OL to a stand still makes the LBs life a lot easier. A great DL removes the necessity to blitz.

You're absolutely on point.
 
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This is our ninth straight season with at least one Big Ten win. This is now our longest such stretch since 1979-1996.

Maryland gives us the opportunity to make that nine straight seasons with MULTIPLE big ten wins.

Should we aim higher than this? Sure. Am I gonna celebrate this like i cherish the fact that we’ve never lost to an FCS team? Absolutely.
We need more fans like you.
 
#268      
Yep, us with a frosh QB, seemed unlikely that we'd get the second OT TD AND the 2pter, while our D wasn't stopping them much at all until that last play. why not tie it up with the extra point kick and take your chances with the second round of OT? I don't get the stategy there
I wonder if the thinking was that that's the one chance you have in OT to go bold. If you go on offense first, you would need to be crazy to go for two. Its when you're on D first in either the first or second ot that you have your only chance to "steal" a win (the other team no reasonable chance to match you.)
But I agree it was a stupid call in that game, given our d and a backup QB.
 
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Having bad linebackers is right up there. Our inability to find backs out of the backfield or keep the Tight Ends in check is glaring. They just lack the speed, quickness and athleticism to be effective. Its painfully obvious. That's almost impossible to coach. Once we add in the extremely poor tackling(which can be coached up)......this is what we end up with.

Do we have a linebacker that can get off a block?
 
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What he said “Under NCAA Rule 7-3-8, defensive pass interference rules only apply if a legal forward pass crosses the neutral zone (the line of scrimmage).” the ball never got close to crossing the line of scrimmage
Appreciate the rule clarification. I stand corrected, as the ball never reached the 3 yard line, even if the receiver did.
 
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This game still has my head spinning a day later.
Was definitely encouraged by the improvement in the defense after 2 weeks. As the game progressed, I started wondering if they can keep it up for the full 4 quarters. Well, no. So maybe next game they will take that next step. I understand the lack of talent, but still, the games must be played.
Clayton, just Clayton.
And Barnett better hurry up and learn how to secure that ball.
 
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#273      
Having bad linebackers is right up there. Our inability to find backs out of the backfield or keep the Tight Ends in check is glaring. They just lack the speed, quickness and athleticism to be effective. Its painfully obvious. That's almost impossible to coach. Once we add in the extremely poor tackling(which can be coached up)......this is what we end up with.
Yes. And while talented D-Linemen are a limited resource, talented LB's are much more common and there is no reason a P4 team should be as deficient as we are in that area
 
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Can someone provide a replay of Barnett's supposed ball - security - concerning runs?? I just re-watched his 15 yarder and 8 yarder and he has the ball cradled as far as I could see on the replays. Somehow that narrative is out there but I would really like to see a clear example of it. Now, if an insider has information that it has been a concern during practices, then that is another matter and I am all ears. But, have we actually seen it in game carries?
 
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