Illinois 38, Rutgers 17 POSTGAME

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Second and Chalmers said:
We're a pretty darned good football team at the peripheral stuff that affects game outcomes at the margins - turnovers and special teams - and no question being better than our competitors at those things is part of the Lovie philosophy (even if turnovers are always going to contain an element of luck).

Having said all of that, fundamentally football is a question of who can move the ball on who. If we can be an elite team in the TO/ST department we will get more bang for our buck in the total yardage battle than most, but that still fundamentally describes the state of play as talent and schemes match up.

We should have destroyed that Rutgers team. We could have. And had we done so that total yardage measure would look very different.

If we beat Purdue next week it will be because we put together a much more complete performance.
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I don't agree with this. Fundamentally football is a question of who can score more points. It may not be the old age way of thinking but that is what it is. I liken it to baseball now vs 20 years ago. Take big swings, regardless of the count, because a homerun is a hell of a lot more valuable than a single or walk. High risk, High reward. Allowing a team to dink and dunk down the entire field just for that one opportunity to get a take away when the other team makes a mistake is high risk. The reward is short field position requiring less movement to score. This defense will never be a brick wall. That is not what it is designed to be. Therefore we should not be judging them on being said brick wall.
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
We're a pretty darned good football team at the peripheral stuff that affects game outcomes at the margins - turnovers and special teams - and no question being better than our competitors at those things is part of the Lovie philosophy (even if turnovers are always going to contain an element of luck).

Having said all of that, fundamentally football is a question of who can move the ball on who. If we can be an elite team in the TO/ST department we will get more bang for our buck in the total yardage battle than most, but that still fundamentally describes the state of play as talent and schemes match up.

We should have destroyed that Rutgers team. We could have. And had we done so that total yardage measure would look very different.

If we beat Purdue next week it will be because we put together a much more complete performance.
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Look at who wins the TO battle and 90% of the time I'm guessing that team wins the game, so I can't agree with your assessment. BTW, if Green doesn't drop what I consider to be a relatively easy catch, it's a 28 point win, which is pretty much a destruction.
 
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PtownIllini8 said:
Look at who wins the TO battle and 90% of the time I'm guessing that team wins the game
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This raises an interesting question. Who wins a higher percentage of the time, the team that wins the turnover battle or the team that wins the total yardage battle?

Attempts to Google have been inconclusive. Anybody?

Obviously many many games have an even turnover battle, whereas many have an essentially-tied-but-not-actually-tied yardage battle, so it's not EXACTLY apples to apples, but I would still be interested to see.
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
This raises an interesting question. Who wins a higher percentage of the time, the team that wins the turnover battle or the team that wins the total yardage battle?

Attempts to Google have been inconclusive. Anybody?

Obviously many many games have an even turnover battle, whereas many have an essentially-tied-but-not-actually-tied yardage battle, so it's not EXACTLY apples to apples, but I would still be interested to see.
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Here's an interesting article on a similar vein (a little older, 2013 season).

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/1/24/5337968/college-football-five-factors

Assuming that stats are similar for the timeframe between 2013 and now, the conclusions that the article comes up with seem to validate Lovie's plan of winning the field position and turnover battles, and limiting big plays.
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
This raises an interesting question. Who wins a higher percentage of the time, the team that wins the turnover battle or the team that wins the total yardage battle?

Attempts to Google have been inconclusive. Anybody?

Obviously many many games have an even turnover battle, whereas many have an essentially-tied-but-not-actually-tied yardage battle, so it's not EXACTLY apples to apples, but I would still be interested to see.
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Robert wrote that turnovers are football article a couple years ago.
 
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I finally got to watch the offense and defensive breakdowns....jeez I feel as if my opinion about the Rutgers performance has been flip flopped. All those holding penalties not called on Rutgers would have made a HUGE difference.
And seeing all the throws AJ DID NOT attempt, makes me more worried than I previously was....
Now I don't know what to think about the team...
 
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I finally got to watch the offense and defensive breakdowns....jeez I feel as if my opinion about the Rutgers performance has been flip flopped. All those holding penalties not called on Rutgers would have made a HUGE difference.
And seeing all the throws AJ DID NOT attempt, makes me more worried than I previously was....
Now I don't know what to think about the team...
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It was his first game back and he had only played 1.5 to date and was late to the practice field. Tiiming is off clearly and he's tending to play iti safe - throw late, throw safe, run when in doubt. We also dropped 4 passes (one was a bad call) that could have yielded well over 100-150 extra yards to the pass side of the game.
I'd say the Rutgers game was more : 'play it safe, run the ball well, and we get out of here with a win. Throw too much and risk too much, and we risk igniting the Rutgers team and fans and we could lose this thing' so I am not certain we showed what we would in a game where passing was more necessary.