Illinois 56, Michigan State 55 Postgame

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3 point girl said:
Whoever scores the most wins.
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Scoring is based on fg% and shot attempts for you and your opponent.

Fg% is influenced by defense and playmaking.

Shot attempts are influenced by rebounds and turnovers.

But yeah, if your guys do all of the intangible an non scoring things right, but can’t buy a hoop to save their lives, you are probably going to lose. I just wouldn’t devalue everything else.
 
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IlliniGman7795 said:
We only had 2 turnovers in the first half. A total of 6 for the game. Not sure where you're getting we had a ton of unforced turnovers 🤷‍♂️
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I agree. And I didn't mind the blocked shots coming from our aggressiveness. I'd much rather see us drive the paint and have some sort of shot at drawing a foul than chucking the desperation 3.
 
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altgeld88

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Obvi POTD:

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altgeld88

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ugottabjoshinme said:
Once Curbelo is fully back DMW should never really have to handle the ball again. So he should get back into his role of doing what he does best.
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With the bonus that he's now a more experienced ballhandler so he's a stronger player than he was before Papi went down. He's a defender who has learned to, er, offend better. Kind of the anti-Scott Hatteberg from Moneyball:

Billy Beane: It's not that hard [to play first base], Scott. Tell him Wash.

Ron Washington: It's incredibly hard.
 
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Illini in Italy said:
For all the posters fussing about an “ugly” win . . . If you can tell me which one of the wins in the standings is the “ugly” one, before all of the Illini nation that has ever been and ever will be, I will sign over the deed to my beach house, forthwith. Great game guys, the only stat that matters is in the “W” column, and we found a way to get it done.

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It’s the 7th one. Where do I pick up the deed? I’ll take the one in Sardinia please. Grazie Mille.
 
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FromTheLogo said:
It will be an absolute travesty if Trent Frazier's jersey doesn't hang in the rafters. I know there are certain requirements or accolades that need to be met.

However, could you get better accolades than literally EVERY SINGLE opposing coach singing his praises. Painter, Izzo, Manning, and on-and-on. He's the heart and soul of this squad, took a backseat when needed, steps up when needed, plays through injury, is a defensive dawg, imo has contributed to the Illini culture as much as Ayo did, is loyal to the program in a transfer era, and gives his teammates nonstop credit (he mentioned Luke numerous times in the post game presser), not to mention a top-10 all-time scorer.

Whitman: Do the right thing. Hoist #1 to the rafters.
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I said the same thing but someone on here says there are qualifiers to get honored.
 
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Bigtex

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PapaKvells said:
Scoring is based on fg% and shot attempts for you and your opponent.

Fg% is influenced by defense and playmaking.

Shot attempts are influenced by rebounds and turnovers.

But yeah, if your guys do all of the intangible an non scoring things right, but can’t buy a hoop to save their lives, you are probably going to lose. I just wouldn’t devalue everything else.
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The Weber years after self recruits left the program.

Future is much brighter with BU
 
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We beat MSU by playing Izzo style defense on them. We got back on defense and limited their fast break baskets. The downside of that was it hurt our rebounding. Once we were in half court defense we made them work hard for their shots. So even though we didn't block very many shots or force an excessive amount of turnovers, we wore them down. So even when they got open shots they weren't hitting them. Kinda like body blows in boxing. At the end we were also feeling the affects of the energy we were expending. I think that's why our shooting and overall movement on offense went down. We even missed free throws that could have iced the game. A very gritty victory for the good guys.
 
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21ChampaignSt said:
Watching the BU presser, it never occurred to me before how strange it must be to be a professional coach after a win. You go into your locker room pumped up, screaming in celebration, foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog, jumping around, blood vessel protruding dangerously far out of your forehead. Then you exit the locker room and you sit down at the post game press conference. The adrenaline is still pumping. You straighten your tie, fix your hair, clear your throat and pretend to remember how to communicate with other non-basketball-playing humans. Speaking into the microphone, you say, "culture win", with your inside voice while just below the surface you desperately want to shout while slapping the white board behind you. Just wild.
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(Good) Coaches are just amazing. They can’t be good at just one thing. They have to be good at EVERYTHING. All at once. And they aren’t given much latitude to ever slip up.

They have to know how to prepare a good game plan. They have to know how to relate to and motivate their players. They have to be a Father Figure. They have to know when and how to kick someone’s rear end when necessary. They have to know when to throw their arm around a guy and pick up his spirits when he needs that. They have to show emotion... They have to keep emotion in check... both at the same time.

They have to think past the next possession to the next game... and the next... and then, March. And next season. They have to have the love and understanding of their wife and family who sacrifices, lives, and dies with each game along with the Coach.

They have to remember that as much as you can teach and prep and train and do everything possible to get ready to compete... that you’re still dealing with young men from different backgrounds and different temperaments and different ideas of what’s best for them. That you’re dealing with human beings who have good days and bad. And who make mistakes even as they try to avoid them.

In short, a good Coach is a counselor, teacher, guide, mentor, Father-figure, ‘One-of-the-guys’, motivator, Life coach, best pal, tough taskmaster...

And thank you Fighting Illini for having all this and more in our Coach today who knows how to build a winner and how to respect the history and tradition of Illinois ball. A legacy that very few places can match.
 
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CoalCity said:
Whoever scores the most wins.
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>> Not letting the other team score has something to do with it too

Putting the biscuit in the basket is what matters. This goes back to another thread where we were touting Grandison and Plummer but had those who opined that they were not pleased with their defense. Sorry, they put the biscuits in the baskets.
 
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Pikeillinifan said:
I agree 100% here, with Belo feeding him off the pick and roll, I think Payne will be able to excel. He needs to work on his defense and NOT fouling, but he does have that athleticism and length we desperately need. Still a work in progress, but the lack of continuity this year on the roster hasn't helped him.
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Did notice that both Ben and Omar scored on a post move. Would not be surprised to see both with some moves next year. Alexander may be doing some work.
 
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lblesy said:
Seeing All-Century team on there makes me wonder what the All-Century team will look like next time when it comes out in 2100. I’ve gotta believe Ayo and Dee are locks and the next three spots are up for claim in the next 80 years.
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I believe there were like 20 members on the first All Century team. Which obviously averages to two players per decade. I would think Dee, Deron, (maybe Luther?) Ayo, and Kofi would be locks. And depending on what the next 80 years holds, guys like Demetri, Malcolm, and Trent may get a look. Let's revisit it in 2105.
 
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Pennsy said:
>> Not letting the other team score has something to do with it too

Putting the biscuit in the basket is what matters. This goes back to another thread where we were touting Grandison and Plummer but had those who opined that they were not pleased with their defense. Sorry, they put the biscuits in the baskets.
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56 points will not when many games
 
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danielb927

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Rap47 said:
56 points will not when many games
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A mitigating factor is that the pace of the game was very slow, only 60 possessions. That's the slowest game we've played in this year.

We were actually more efficient on offense in this one than in the Marquette game -- 56 pts on 60 possessions (0.93 pts/pos.), versus 66 pts on 77 possessions (0.86 pts/pos.) against Marquette.
 
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21ChampaignSt said:
I believe there were like 20 members on the first All Century team. Which obviously averages to two players per decade. I would think Dee, Deron, (maybe Luther?) Ayo, and Kofi would be locks. And depending on what the next 80 years holds, guys like Demetri, Malcolm, and Trent may get a look. Let's revisit it in 2105.
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I know he didn't do a lot of winning but Malcolm Hill deserves in that second tier conversation
 
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altgeld88 said:
Yep. When I look at the game flow chart below I focus a great deal more on the ~ 30 minutes where there's a large gap between the orange and green lines, than the 5 mins on either side of that where there's not. The Illini beat a very strong Spartan team, did so without our two best players, and kept MSU in the woodshed licking its wounds for ~75% of the game.

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Now that the euphoria from the victory and the adrenaline from the fear of losing are gone, I processed the fact that we scored zero points in the last , was it 5, minutes. You could tell we were less active in offense the second half, but the last 5 minutes we looked like Dean Smith‘s 4 corners, running out the clock.

We got lucky. That’s a bad strategy- run up a lead and pray for rain.
 
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