Illinois 56, Michigan State 55 Postgame

RabidDawgClassic · Jan 25, 2022

the juiceman cometh said:
Just watched it again. CoHawks arm isn't straight up as Hall is coming up to shoot, but angled into Hall. He then gets Hall on the arm with his left arm, then again with his right arm. Also, contact occurs before the shot, but shot doesn't leave Hall's hand until after the buzzer. If Hawkins goes straight up with his arms and avoids the contact with his arm the shot doesn't even get off before the buzzer. And again, the biggest risk with fouling here isn't the free throws, it's the and-one possibility.

Here’s a question I’ve never thought of: if the ball would’ve gone through the basket with the foul happening at .2 but the shot leaving the hand after 0.0, would the basket have counted? My assumption is they’d look at it and give 2 free throws, waving off the basket, but I’ve been surprised before.

the juiceman cometh · Jan 25, 2022

RabidDawgClassic said:
Here’s a question I’ve never thought of: if the ball would’ve gone through the basket with the foul happening at .2 but the shot leaving the hand after 0.0, would the basket have counted? My assumption is they’d look at it and give 2 free throws, waving off the basket, but I’ve been surprised before.

I think that's probably right.

Edit: Actually I think the guy below is right

Champaign88 · Jan 25, 2022

RabidDawgClassic said:
Here’s a question I’ve never thought of: if the ball would’ve gone through the basket with the foul happening at .2 but the shot leaving the hand after 0.0, would the basket have counted? My assumption is they’d look at it and give 2 free throws, waving off the basket, but I’ve been surprised before.

Yes it would count because the clock stops on the foul so technically the buzzer never went off.

Rusty · Jan 25, 2022

RabidDawgClassic said:
Here’s a question I’ve never thought of: if the ball would’ve gone through the basket with the foul happening at .2 but the shot leaving the hand after 0.0, would the basket have counted? My assumption is they’d look at it and give 2 free throws, waving off the basket, but I’ve been surprised before.

hoop and harm at .2, basket counts, refs look at clock, put .2 back on the clock. 1 FT, we lose

jumpingjack · Jan 26, 2022

skyIdub said:
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sunman · Jan 26, 2022

D1959 said:
Tonight showed why CH doesn’t get much court time added next to nothing

He’s lost some confidence for sure. He’s still got some time to figure it out. To me he still needs to get stronger. In Fletch I trust

the national · Jan 26, 2022

NoRival said:
Izzo's thugs cannot injure our stars if they don't play.

Look at the big brain on Brad!

the national · Jan 26, 2022

danielb927 said:
I admit, I was getting greedy at halftime. Wanted to put them away and win by 25. About 4 minutes left I had to reset my expectations and remember that this is a huge W regardless of the margin.

Back in 1st place baby!

I did the same thing

GBIllini · Jan 26, 2022

sunman said:
He’s lost some confidence for sure. He’s still got some time to figure it out. To me he still needs to get stronger. In Fletch I trust

I still think CH is the best option off the bench at the 4 then 3 where as LG is showing he is a good option at the 3 then 4.

illiniguy · Jan 26, 2022

blackdog said:
Unfortunately what's going to hold him back is footspeed and lateral quickness. He looks better than last year but still just a small step up from Lurch. The game at the B1G level is just physically too fast for him right now.

I did absolutely love the physicality on the screen setting. Was a little worried he was going to get called for an offensive foul for going too hard

Hey, don't knock Lurch...he (aka Ted Cassidy) played Division 1 ball at Stetson back in the day.

and the man had some moves...

Brosky · Jan 26, 2022

No Kofi, no Andre--I didn't think this W would be possible. Tremendous game and leadership by Frazier. We got about 15 pts. from our two backup post players; not too bad. But we can't defend the paint without you know who. BTW, Plummer missed a free throw again; he's' down to .945 from the stripe. It's hard not to get enthused about Luke. Now let's give Podz some meaningful PT and find out what he can do.

illinitiger · Jan 26, 2022

21ChampaignSt said:
This game makes a lot more sense if you pretend that the Maryland game never happened.

Also, I'm willing to admit that the "play the freshmen" crowd was probably right. It was painfully obvious we were gassed the last quarter of the game.

Only freshman against MSU was Goode....but he was money on both sides.

ptgd1 · Jan 26, 2022

21ChampaignSt said:
Watching the BU presser, it never occurred to me before how strange it must be to be a professional coach after a win. You go into your locker room pumped up, screaming in celebration, foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog, jumping around, blood vessel protruding dangerously far out of your forehead. Then you exit the locker room and you sit down at the post game press conference.
The adrenaline is still pumping. You straighten your tie, fix your hair, clear your throat and pretend to remember how to communicate with other non-basketball-playing humans. Speaking into the microphone, you say, "culture win", with your inside voice while just below the surface you desperately want to shout while slapping the white board behind you. Just wild.

Good insight!

Calillini · Jan 26, 2022

BWA said:
Payne no. BBV I could see being good foy 6-8 ppg

I still have hope for Payne as a scorer. Let’s wait and see what happens when Belo comes back. He seems to be our best feeder of bigs

QCtoKC · Jan 26, 2022

oldman said:
If Trent doesn’t meet the criteria for uniform in the rafters change the criteria because otherwise it is seriously flawed.

It already is flawed because Kiwane Garris’s 22 jersey isn’t up there. When they put Frazier’s up there, they need to put Kiwane’s, too!

ptgd1 · Jan 26, 2022

Rusty said:
hoop and harm at .2, basket counts, refs look at clock, put .2 back on the clock. 1 FT, we lose

Or... he misses free throw and we win in OT.

Chad Fleck · Jan 26, 2022

21ChampaignSt said:
Watching the BU presser, it never occurred to me before how strange it must be to be a professional coach after a win. You go into your locker room pumped up, screaming in celebration, foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog, jumping around, blood vessel protruding dangerously far out of your forehead. Then you exit the locker room and you sit down at the post game press conference.
The adrenaline is still pumping. You straighten your tie, fix your hair, clear your throat and pretend to remember how to communicate with other non-basketball-playing humans. Speaking into the microphone, you say, "culture win", with your inside voice while just below the surface you desperately want to shout while slapping the white board behind you. Just wild.

I find the first part to be more out of place than the second.

Not that I hate to see it or anything.

Nuke Dukem · Jan 26, 2022

blife said:
Agree. He is in a funk between the ears. Need him to snap out of it. Just needs to see a couple go in and regain some confidence and swag. But you got to take them to make them and he just flat out won't right now

Seeing CoHawk makes me think of Brian Randle. All of the tools to be really special. When will he learn to use them properly? I always thought Randle never reached his full potential. Hopefully CoHawk will.

101screamingeagle · Jan 26, 2022

D1959 said:
Tonight showed why CH doesn’t get much court time added next to nothing

I will say it again. I keep waiting for the light switch to come on for Hawkins. Games 1 thru 5 versus the last 10 games.

101screamingeagle · Jan 26, 2022

Ignatius Shang said:
Reminds me of the MSU-NW game. The refs once again stand with MSU, and the ball once again did not lie.

It's the wolf, it's the wolf. Tired of it's the ref's, it's the ref's

101screamingeagle · Jan 26, 2022

spillini said:
Same concern here. He had 4 mins in the Minny game and played two minutes total since.

Maybe it's because good practice equals game tick

KevinC · Jan 26, 2022

Illinimark said:
It is such a bad look to have these coaches in constant conversations with officials along the sideline. These conversations have gotten more and more prevalent with each year that goes by. As I said this is a horrible look for College basketball. When I first started watching and playing basketball back in the stone ages such conversations were often met with Technical fouls being called. I believe there should never be any conversation between game Referees and Coaches. There is absolutely no reason in the world that a coach needs to talk to an official. The referees call the game.The coaches coach the players. I believe that it is long past due that rules be passed that no conversation is to be allowed between game coaches and referees once play begins until the final buzzer occurs. Such conversations serve no purpose. I also believe that when a coach makes an attempt to talk to an official that the official is then obligated to a call a technical foul on the bench.

Go watch some old film of John Wooden and UCLA, He was always in the refs' ears.

Illini in Italy · Jan 26, 2022

For all the posters fussing about an “ugly” win . . . If you can tell me which one of the wins in the standings is the “ugly” one, before all of the Illini nation that has ever been and ever will be, I will sign over the deed to my beach house, forthwith. Great game guys, the only stat that matters is in the “W” column, and we found a way to get it done.

Dose of Reality · Jan 26, 2022

Newmark4thFloor said:
As of now..... LUKE >> GRANDI.

Comments???

And >>>Hawkins and = Williams; may as well start mixing the freshman in more if William, Hawkins and Grand don't start elevating their games

pruman91 · Jan 26, 2022

Illinois 56-55 Michigan State (Jan 25, 2022) Game Recap - ESPN

Expert recap and game analysis of the Illinois Fighting Illini vs. Michigan State Spartans NCAAM game from January 25, 2022 on ESPN.

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CHAMPAIGN, Ill. -- — Trent Frazier scored a game-high 16 points, and No. 24 Illinois held on to beat No. 10 Michigan State 56-55 on Tuesday and take sole possession of first place in the Big Ten. Illinois (14-5, 7-2) was without two of its brightest stars: All-American center Kofi Cockburn (concussion) and guard Andre Curbelo (COVID-19 health and safety protocols).

Asked how his team responded with Cockburn, Illinois coach Brad Underwood laughed and said, "Obviously better than our last game," referring to the lopsided loss 81-65 loss at Maryland on Friday. The Illini led by as many as 15 points early in the second half before Michigan State (15-4, 6-2) mounted a furious comeback in the final four minutes. Illinois also didn't score for the last five minutes.

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I slept pretty good last night and i attribute that to a resilient squad of young men and coaches refusing to give in to the tremendous difficulties bestowed upon them this year.........This is truly a group of hard working every day guys willing themselves to ignore fatigue and stressful tension's and do whatever is necessary to win........

I am so proud of this team ..................GO ILLINI !!!!!!!!!!

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