Illinois 66, Northwestern 62 Postgame

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#476      
It's just the catharsis of saying something "out loud" to listening ears... I, for one, am a totally different person when I watch Illinois basketball games... Sport is unique in the way that people are so passionate about them yet have little to no control over the outcome.

The whole point of being a fan is to be ‘irrational’. Not crazy-craz stuff, just ‘not’ so rational. The whole rest of the day we are either tending to our families or working at a job or doing tasks that need to get done and stuff like that. Rational, rational, rational.

After a while, our brains and bodies rebel. We want to NOT be so sensible for a while. So we throw our egos and our personal identity into some team that holds some kind of meaning for us. And we ‘think’ with our hearts more than our heads. And that is the whole point of doing this kind of thing.

Yes, we can put on our sensible and analytical minds and scrutinize every part of the games and players and coaches and refs if we want. That’s fun too. But that’s not what most matters to us. What matters is the brother-and-sisterhood we have with those whose hearts are like ours.

And when ‘Our Team’ wins... then WE win. We feel blessed and fortified by those Forces-Beyond-Our-Control that conspired to reward our chosen fanaticism at any given moment. Our egos get stroked and we stick our chests out more... emboldened by our good fortune. We stand tall and smile more.

Sometimes we have to dial things back a bit when we start to stray too far into the emotional zones of too-high or too-low... but it is our passion for a team that drives this whole thing.

Sports without passion and personal investment is just doing exercise. Important to do so, yes. But certainly nothing that lifts our spirits and brings a community of people together.

Some of the best times of our lives is through being a fan. And we can all use more of these kinds of times to counter all the bad ones.
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky
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#482      
Yes. "Picketwire" is idiomatic for the Purgatoire river in Colorado.
And since Purgatoire is French for Purgatory does that add an additional dimension to the analysis? They're neither civilized nor anarchic but something in between. And does Doniphon become a drunk just because of losing his woman or because he didn't beat Valence man-to-man or because with the coming of 'civilization' there is no place for him? It's also interesting that civilization is represented by a guy in an apron who can't defend himself.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
And since Purgatoire is French for Purgatory does that add an additional dimension to the analysis? They're neither civilized nor anarchic but something in between. And does Doniphon become a drunk just because of losing his woman or because he didn't beat Valence man-to-man or because with the coming of 'civilization' there is no place for him? It's also interesting that civilization is represented by a guy in an apron who can't defend himself.
I've never read anything that indicates Ford chose the Purgatoire/Picketwire for symbolic reasons, just that it's part of the real geography of the region that the fictional Shinbone is in--but I agree that it adds something to the analysis, although I don't think of Shinbone as a purgatory as much as an allegorical battleground in the war between frontier and civilization.

As to Doniphon, I think both of your points are correct, he lost a woman he assumed he'd get if he just asked, and his place as unofficial leader/protector of the area was lost to Stoddard.

Ford went a bit over the top with the apron and making Stoddard appear feminine (by the standards of 1962) and incapable of defending himself, but my read has always been that Stoddard (or the ideology that Stoddard represented) looked to the law for protection rather than taking matters into one's own hands, and therefore had never tested his ability to self-defend. The fact that the sheriff is a bumbling drunk makes this even more complicated when you evaluate the 2 sides of the same coin that Doniphon and Valance represent. It's a really complex movie when you start peeling back the layers of character, plot, and even the setting, since most of the shots are on soundstages rather than on location--another indication that Ford thought the days of the Western were over.
 
#485      
I've never read anything that indicates Ford chose the Purgatoire/Picketwire for symbolic reasons, just that it's part of the real geography of the region that the fictional Shinbone is in--but I agree that it adds something to the analysis, although I don't think of Shinbone as a purgatory as much as an allegorical battleground in the war between frontier and civilization.

As to Doniphon, I think both of your points are correct, he lost a woman he assumed he'd get if he just asked, and his place as unofficial leader/protector of the area was lost to Stoddard.

Ford went a bit over the top with the apron and making Stoddard appear feminine (by the standards of 1962) and incapable of defending himself, but my read has always been that Stoddard (or the ideology that Stoddard represented) looked to the law for protection rather than taking matters into one's own hands, and therefore had never tested his ability to self-defend. The fact that the sheriff is a bumbling drunk makes this even more complicated when you evaluate the 2 sides of the same coin that Doniphon and Valance represent. It's a really complex movie when you start peeling back the layers of character, plot, and even the setting, since most of the shots are on soundstages rather than on location--another indication that Ford thought the days of the Western were over.
It really does have the intellectual complexity of a European movie while being a damn good story too, which Europeans aren't necessarily as proficient at. Shane has a lot of the same sort of themes but I give Valence the edge because of the variety of great characters and acting.
 
#486      
The whole point of being a fan is to be ‘irrational’. Not crazy-craz stuff, just ‘not’ so rational. The whole rest of the day we are either tending to our families or working at a job or doing tasks that need to get done and stuff like that. Rational, rational, rational.

After a while, our brains and bodies rebel. We want to NOT be so sensible for a while. So we throw our egos and our personal identity into some team that holds some kind of meaning for us. And we ‘think’ with our hearts more than our heads. And that is the whole point of doing this kind of thing.

Yes, we can put on our sensible and analytical minds and scrutinize every part of the games and players and coaches and refs if we want. That’s fun too. But that’s not what most matters to us. What matters is the brother-and-sisterhood we have with those whose hearts are like ours.

And when ‘Our Team’ wins... then WE win. We feel blessed and fortified by those Forces-Beyond-Our-Control that conspired to reward our chosen fanaticism at any given moment. Our egos get stroked and we stick our chests out more... emboldened by our good fortune. We stand tall and smile more.

Sometimes we have to dial things back a bit when we start to stray too far into the emotional zones of too-high or too-low... but it is our passion for a team that drives this whole thing.

Sports without passion and personal investment is just doing exercise. Important to do so, yes. But certainly nothing that lifts our spirits and brings a community of people together.

Some of the best times of our lives is through being a fan. And we can all use more of these kinds of times to counter all the bad ones.
My thoughts, exactly. The funny thing is, there is always someone quick to criticize for a "hot take" or being "too negative" or, on occasion, a time out from the board. It's like when we were kids; It's fine if I pick on my little brother, but if someone else does I'm the first one to defend him. Same with the Illini. Yes, I'm quick to criticize poor play in the heat of a game thread; but I'm also quick to defend the guys when underestimated by other programs or so - called "experts" in the media.

There are many different ways to be die-hard fan. None are better than the others. We are all pulling for the same thing. It amuses me when I hear others scoff at the game thread. It's an outlet to express frustrations in the heat of the moment as opposed to screaming at the TV, etc. As always, JMHO.
 
#487      
Not going to check 13 Pages of blogs, but did anyone mention Ty Rogers jumping out of bounds and batting the ball back to Shannon sealed the game. If it lands Northwestern gets the ball back for another shot. Absolutely a great heads up play by a freshman.
Not to mention BU subbing Ty in for Mayer right before that possession…
 
#488      
Fletch was talking to Epps at the end of the game and giving him a bit of a pep-talk. Guy is way more than a strength and conditioning coach. He's a great player who will bounce back
Just watched second half again and Fletch sat next to Epps almost the entire final 13 mins he was out. At several points he even had his arm around him as well. Great to see such support from our staff.
 
#489      
My thoughts, exactly. The funny thing is, there is always someone quick to criticize for a "hot take" or being "too negative" or, on occasion, a time out from the board. It's like when we were kids; It's fine if I pick on my little brother, but if someone else does I'm the first one to defend him. Same with the Illini. Yes, I'm quick to criticize poor play in the heat of a game thread; but I'm also quick to defend the guys when underestimated by other programs or so - called "experts" in the media.

There are many different ways to be die-hard fan. None are better than the others. We are all pulling for the same thing. It amuses me when I hear others scoff at the game thread. It's an outlet to express frustrations in the heat of the moment as opposed to screaming at the TV, etc. As always, JMHO.
As a previous sh**head posting on the game threads after excessive lubrication, I think I can safely say that the game threads are the Twitter of Loyalty. It tends to be a septic tank . . . .
 
#490      
This is exactly the play I was referencing in an earlier comment!
If the refs allow NW to play physical like RJ highlighted they are tough to beat. Collins has them playing on that line where some refs allow it.

They also play physical on their traps on D.

It helps neutralize more talented teams. It is smart coaching
 
#492      
A group of us on a group chat pointed out Epps, he seemed to be in a bad place. I rewatched the 2nd half and at about the 10 min mark BU crouched down and was talking to Epps
He didn’t go in the game after that and he was I engaged the rest of the game…not sure what was going on
Hopefully it was just a funk and he can snap out if it. It was pretty disappointing not seeing him cheer during the comeback though
 
#493      
A group of us on a group chat pointed out Epps, he seemed to be in a bad place. I rewatched the 2nd half and at about the 10 min mark BU crouched down and was talking to Epps
He didn’t go in the game after that and he was I engaged the rest of the game…not sure what was going on
Hopefully it was just a funk and he can snap out if it. It was pretty disappointing not seeing him cheer during the comeback though

LaTulip and Werner briefly addressed Epps’ body language on the pod. From their vantage point it seemed more like frustration with not hitting shots/being able to stop Bouie than any animosity towards the staff/getting benched. At the under 4 TJ and Sencire both gave him a hug and that seemed to cheer him up. It seemed like a one off to me and I’m guessing Jaden has a good bounce back game today.

Sort of like pulling a goalie/starting pitcher/QB. Sometimes they just don’t have it.
 
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