Chad Fleck
- Eureka, IL
You don't consider an offensive rebound "an extra possession"?
Illinois 71, Michigan State 68 Postgame
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You haven't been around the board long enough to understand where I, and many, go when commenting about referees. Hang around 4 or 5 game threads and understand that the comment isn't specifically about the game last night.
See you on the thread Sunday, where you will get the "Aha, now I get it" moment.
Oh brother. We aren't trying to count the number of times that the ball changes hands or crosses the timeline. We are talking about field goal attempts and I used the term as a stand-in for shot opportunities.
If you're being serious, I hope you tell me which part you actually disagree with.
We had eight fewer missed field goals than they did, so the discrepancy was worse than the total number of rebounds would indicate. MSU, which is slightly above average on the offensive glass this year, got a fairly robust 33% of their misses. We got 25% despite being well above average as a rebounding team on both ends of the court. So your eyes weren't lying, it wasn't our best effort on the boards last night.Looks like total rebounds was 37-34 MSU.
It felt worse than that, but it always does as a fan, because I want us to get every single rebound.
GrayGhost77
- Centennial, CO
Ty only had one rebound last night, which is maybe the fewest he's had in a game where he's played significant minutes? That was part of the reason for our lackluster rebounding as a team. Luckily he made up for it on the offensive end but that energy might have taken away some of his rebounding tenacity (and obviously it's a little tougher usually to get offensive rebounds when you're the one shooting it).
I think the choice to roll with Goode and Harmon over Rodgers (who only got 20 minutes) and Dain had something to do with it as well. I've got no beef with how Underwood chose to allocate playing time, but some guys are gonna be better at some things than others. I think we picked our poison and won.
Ok. I was talking in terms of how ortg is calculated. ppp. So I must have missed something in your thread.
Right. The two teams were as close on FG percentage as they could be given their attempts, so it wasn't makes or misses driving it. MSU officially took 14 more shots, which should have led to a lot more rebounds for us. It didn't, though.
Now, given the high volume on their end, they still should have collected two more offensive boards if we split it so that the rate was the same on both ends. But we should have won the rebounding battle by three. We didn't even split it.
Oh yeah, yeah. You got it. Totally different world. This discussion stemmed from Izzo and peeps judging officiating by free throw attempts. As in, without seeming to take shooting fouls into account. Of course, pretty much everyone has since moved on to talk about other things.
It was the deciding factor,but the reason for the discrepancy in fouls was Illinois going to the hoop and Michigan State shot 80% jump shots if you take away their layups. Illinois didn't receive breaks from the refs that decided the outcome.
I just was rewatching the game and observed the period Dain was in. He did not have any defensive lapses and had a nice rim run. I know with the way this team is playing that Hawkins is hard to take off the floor but during some of our offensive swoons would be nice to get Dain in because he is usually good for a couple of buckets.
Big Jack
- Decatur
I would go back and replay it again in slow motion. I was in Row 22 and saw him not slow ,stop or impede Walker on a play and left him wide open for a three as @blackdog pointed out earlier. He was then subbed out soon after and Brad chewed his !!! all the way into the team huddle.
You also have to understand he is a liability when they try MD and the booty ball. As his man can slide off of him since like Ty he has no outside shot.
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chrisRunner7
- Spokane, WA
Uhh, did you not see the play when the Michigan State big (Sissoko?) set a screen out near the three-point line, and Dain just stood there planted in the paint and didn't move to help while Tyson Walker got free and nailed a jumper? A different big (Hawkins or Guerrier) would have played help D on that play
blackdog
- Champaign
I honestly think he was more upset about him trying to jump the pass the play before and giving up a wide open layup because his reaction on the bench after that was spoke volumes. Everything about this defense is to stay home and force tough shots so that's a really bad play to make.
Actually, it was his defense that got him yanked
Big Jack
- Decatur
That's possible. He is great offensively at times but just seems lost at the fast pace against better teams.
Once Ty picks up a consistent 15-18 foot jumper,a floater,and a tad more lefty action,he could be a top 5 pick in his draft whether it’s next year or two…The size speed and smarts are there..
DB11Headband
- Chicago Burbs
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
Haha....well...I absolutely love Ty...but if he is a top 5 pick after next year....we'll be cutting down multiple nets.
I’m scratching my head about the Luke needs to play less and Harmon more arguments. They both played over 30 minutes in that game. Both these guys play their tails off on defense and keep the defense honest with floor spacing.
Anxious to see if Moretti can spell these guys a bit.
We basically played 6 guys. Hard to play anyone significantly less in that situation.
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