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Edey puts us a bit between a rock and a hard place with how we'd want to deal with him in my opinion. On offense, Edey has had struggles in the past against players with very strong lower body strength who can stay firm and keep him from getting deep in the paint or from getting forward momentum while shooting. I do think Dain has that ability to bang with Edey if the refs allow him to on the defensive side. He'd need to play a couple feet further out from the basket than he has defensively but in theory he is strong enough to give Edey some issues on end, again, so long as the refs aren't calling touch fouls in which case we'd probably be screwed anyways. CoHawk is a very good overall defender, but I see little chance he's able to keep Edey out of the paint without fouling. So when he's in the game, we're going to need another player either double teaming or heavily shading/guarding the entry pass.

On offense, CoHawk is clearly the best option as he has a midrange game, can hit open threes in rhythm, and has the ability to take Edey off the dribble and slam it home. We would need him to have an excellent game but he definitely has an offensive advantage over Edey so long as we penetrate towards Edey and kick back to him. As for Dain, I am very very very interested in how he will perform against Edey, as I think he has quick feet and some very high level moves that can give him the needed separation to put up a shot. That said, Edey's height advantage will be very imposing and he hasn't been prone to go for fakes as all he has to do is stand straight up and extend his hands. So it isn't a great matchup for Dain on that end, but he may have the moves in the bag to pull it off.

All in all, it'll definitely be a hell of a chess match. Purdue is not an easy team to match up against though we may have the teambuild to do so. Just CANNOT get in foul trouble.
If Coleman can get some rhythm 3s in the first 5-10 minute stretch, I like our chances. Every foot we can pull Edey away from the protected area translates to offensive rebounding opportunities, whether it goes in or not.
Defensively, lock down Loyer.
 
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pruman91

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Why are we discussing Purdue?:unsure:
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Could it be that the S. Clark thing was a blessing in disguise?

Sencire gets more minutes and Ty Rogers too. I'm liking him more and more.

Ty reminds me of Lucas Johnson or if you're old like me Niel Bresnahan.

Like that type of player
Ty is a much better athlete than Lucas was! On the other hand Lucas was a good shooter and he drove the other team crazy.
 
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Does Dain really do that much damage away from the basket? Edey certainly can’t guard Hawkins outside, but unfortunately Hawkins doesn’t drive to the hoop much to fully take advantage of that. So if he’s not hitting 3s, not sure how big of an advantage that is. Though it hopefully should open things up for others in the lane. Should be a good game.
Edey struggled with Dickenson last year and I would say he is at best a spot up 3 shooter. Hawkins has more to his outside game. Dain is very good with footwork where he gets the ball about 15 ft from the hoop and does his little dribble drive instead of a true post up. I think that will give Edey trouble. It is the same issue Kofi had with the more mobile bigs and Kofi was miles more athletic than Edey.
 
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Edey struggled with Dickenson last year and I would say he is at best a spot up 3 shooter. Hawkins has more to his outside game. Dain is very good with footwork where he gets the ball about 15 ft from the hoop and does his little dribble drive instead of a true post up. I think that will give Edey trouble. It is the same issue Kofi had with the more mobile bigs and Kofi was miles more athletic than Edey.
I didn’t see or don’t remember UM vs PU games last year, so can’t comment using first hand knowledge on the matchup. But in the two games Hunter scored 50 points and only 18 were from 3 and just 4 from the line, so not sure what you mean by “at best a spot up 3 shooter.” Now Edey only played 34 minutes to Hunter’s 71, so hard to know who Dickinson was doing his damage against inside vs outside. I’ll go out on a limb though and say CoHawk does not score 25 against Purdue. Hopefully he can help free up the middle for others though. The Dain-Edey matchup will be very interesting. Have to wonder how much Edey’s length bothers Dain during those dribble drives. It is going to be a very interesting game.
 
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I didn’t see or don’t remember UM vs PU games last year, so can’t comment using first hand knowledge on the matchup. But in the two games Hunter scored 50 points and only 18 were from 3 and just 4 from the line, so not sure what you mean by “at best a spot up 3 shooter.” Now Edey only played 34 minutes to Hunter’s 71, so hard to know who Dickinson was doing his damage against inside vs outside. I’ll go out on a limb though and say CoHawk does not score 25 against Purdue. Hopefully he can help free up the middle for others though. The Dain-Edey matchup will be very interesting. Have to wonder how much Edey’s length bothers Dain during those dribble drives. It is going to be a very interesting game.
Last February Hunter went 4/6 from three and it was a big part of the difference between their first game against PU (which they lost) and the second one (which they won). My point as it compares to Hawkins is that Dickinsen is either spotting up for three or posting up. He isn't handling or driving the ball much as opposed to Hawkins who can handle the ball well for a 6'11" guy.
 
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Last February Hunter went 4/6 from three and it was a big part of the difference between their first game against PU (which they lost) and the second one (which they won). My point as it compares to Hawkins is that Dickinsen is either spotting up for three or posting up. He isn't handling or driving the ball much as opposed to Hawkins who can handle the ball well for a 6'11" guy.
Agreed on Hawkins handling the ball, but I’ve really not seen him drive all that much. He’s a few drive dunks I can remember this year, but I just haven’t seen it be an integral part of his game — much to my disappointment. Given that Dain has averaged 24 mpg the last 6 games and Edey averages about 32 mpg, we’re talking roughly 8 minutes that Edey and Hawk will be matched up against each other. And it could be more if Dain gets in foul trouble, which is a distinct possibility. I don’t think Hawk is gonna be able to handle Edey on D. So we’re likely talking some double teams or Lieb getting some minutes in post. Like I said,I think it is going to be a very interesting game. Can’t wait to see what BU and Chester play it.
 
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I didn’t see or don’t remember UM vs PU games last year, so can’t comment using first hand knowledge on the matchup. But in the two games Hunter scored 50 points and only 18 were from 3 and just 4 from the line, so not sure what you mean by “at best a spot up 3 shooter.” Now Edey only played 34 minutes to Hunter’s 71, so hard to know who Dickinson was doing his damage against inside vs outside. I’ll go out on a limb though and say CoHawk does not score 25 against Purdue. Hopefully he can help free up the middle for others though. The Dain-Edey matchup will be very interesting. Have to wonder how much Edey’s length bothers Dain during those dribble drives. It is going to be a very interesting game.
If they leave Edey in drop coverage, Cohawk will certainly have the opportunities to drop 25. And Edey does not remotely have the footspeed to keep up with anybody but Lieb outside the paint. It'll be an interesting matchup 1-5, and even more so thanks to what I would consider a really dumb scheduling quirk.
 
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If they leave Edey in drop coverage, Cohawk will certainly have the opportunities to drop 25. And Edey does not remotely have the footspeed to keep up with anybody but Lieb outside the paint. It'll be an interesting matchup 1-5, and even more so thanks to what I would consider a really dumb scheduling quirk.
Agreed that Hawk will have the opportunity to get 25 points, but considering he has just 2 games of 20 or more this season — and one was against EIU — I wouldn’t bet on it. And I believe outside of those 2 games. Hawk is shooting under 25% from 3. Like you said, interesting matchups all the way around. But time to focus on Indiana and get another win to keep the pressure on Purdue.
 
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Agreed that Hawk will have the opportunity to get 25 points, but considering he has just 2 games of 20 or more this season — and one was against EIU — I wouldn’t bet on it. And I believe outside of those 2 games. Hawk is shooting under 25% from 3. Like you said, interesting matchups all the way around. But time to focus on Indiana and get another win to keep the pressure on Purdue.
I would love to see the splits on Hawkins for spot up threes vs threes off the dribble. He looks so much better when someone gives him a pass right in the pocket and he has his feet set
 
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I would love to see the splits on Hawkins for spot up threes vs threes off the dribble. He looks so much better when someone gives him a pass right in the pocket and he has his feet set

I had a clear look at that travesty of a call. I also had a clear look at the ball going OB off Epps hand and being awarded to the Illini. You just shake your head.
You must've been opposite side, opposite corner from me
 
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If they leave Edey in drop coverage, Cohawk will certainly have the opportunities to drop 25. And Edey does not remotely have the footspeed to keep up with anybody but Lieb outside the paint. It'll be an interesting matchup 1-5, and even more so thanks to what I would consider a really dumb scheduling quirk.
In the PU-MSU game, for whatever reason, Edey got switched onto Walker and was pulled out to the three point line. I couldn’t believe Painter let it ride and didn’t switch him out. Walker bombed a three over him. What’s hilarious is that MSU ran the same play angain and the exact same thing happened - Walker nailed a three over Edey. MSU did a great job in the second half of that game using their guards to get leverage. (Timely three point shooting didn’t hurt either). If we follow a similar strategy, I think we can find success.
 
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Edey struggled with Dickenson last year and I would say he is at best a spot up 3 shooter. Hawkins has more to his outside game. Dain is very good with footwork where he gets the ball about 15 ft from the hoop and does his little dribble drive instead of a true post up. I think that will give Edey trouble. It is the same issue Kofi had with the more mobile bigs and Kofi was miles more athletic than Edey.
Verdonk was our Edey kryptonite last year I believe
 
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