illinoisgrad1990
- Bloomington, IL
From one closer to another... I love that our culture is that such that former players continue to watch and root for the current team!
I think TJ posted a similar comment during the TN game also.
Illinois 80, Missouri 77 Postgame
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From one closer to another... I love that our culture is that such that former players continue to watch and root for the current team!
I think TJ posted a similar comment during the TN game also.
To put 44 fouls into perspective, it's the equivalent of 8 players fouling out, or an average of almost 3 fouls per player if both teams go 8 deep. Or another way, literally more than a foul a minute. Almost unwatchable (watchable only because the Illini are playing).Are you sure you’re not talking about the TN game? At this point, these redonkulously officiated games are starting to run together.
Players foul out. Wonder of it's time for officials to "foul out" if they call too many. One guy calls more than 15 fouls, he's replaced by someone the home team picks (like the vet from Rochester that sits on the front row, for example). /s (I think)
Pretty simple and exactly what refs are taught and required to call. In the first four instances, MJ does not have his arms straight up which is required. They reach down some and this is not allowed. What is sooooooooo disappointing is that he jumps vertically and the offensive player jumps into him. If his arms had been vertical, the offensive player initiated contact. No call should result. But who knows if that crew would have done so?
I simply can't believe that no foul was called after Morez was clearly thrown to the floor. That should have been a Double T and the player ejected from the game. There is no excuse for that incompetence. I know Gates running out onto the floor created a distraction, but that is something that shouldn't have been overlooked. Another thing, the play by play announcers weren't even discussing it, until like 5 min. later.
I saw someone post it earlier, but I'd move Ben to a bench role and when he does come in, have a designed play for him to get some shots. If he's hitting, he gets more minutes.
Morez at very worst provides a high floor and gets rebounds and plays defense. He needs minutes to adjust to the game, so does Will. I'd be shifting minutes to them, and let Ben figure it out when games aren't close.
Morez at very worst provides a high floor and gets rebounds and plays defense. He needs minutes to adjust to the game, so does Will. I'd be shifting minutes to them, and let Ben figure it out when games aren't close.
I agree with you. Saw the same. I also thought there were a few more angles that could have been used that they didn’t show on TV… all I kept seeing was the one from the opposite end that you can’t see ball contact with hand.
Once again, not saying he went up with text book technique on those block attempts. Just that I have seen more contact and less verticality not called on other players quite often this year. Such as when KJ got ran over by 2 defenders on his 3pt attempt at the end of the half
One other question… Booth, first one off the bench to play 2 mins total? Can anyone make that make sense?
I honestly want Ben to take a very hard foul in the first couple minutes of our next big game. And for the bench to go nuts like they did when KJ picked up that tech for taunting. Kid needs some emotion, maybe have him shadow Boz for 72 hours when he gets back from Christmas break.
Who is going to back up Big T if they both play extensive minutes and in foul trouble at the 5? Morez and Big T can play some together but not extensively or they would both be in foul trouble too often and there are not many options at the 5 if that happens and it would.
What was Gates even so upset about? I'm still honestly confused by that whole sequence.
I heard LaTulip say there was a time as an Illini where Plummer went 2 for 21 from 3. Slumps do happen to good shooters and I think things will change. I recall Harper went 1 of 17 from the field one stretch. BU said they will break out eventually and we all saw Plummer and I believe it will.
blackdog
- Champaign
I've said this before but Ben's problem is he is too nice for high level ball. Even his put back dunk was about as low emphasis as it could have been. He needs some more nasty to his game.
The tv replay showed the red light turn in with ball in his hand. They first showed a replay with clock and it looked like he clearly got it off. Then they said the red light is what refs look for.
I did see a zone. I wonder why? It seems like if you’re going to use it at all, we’d use it a bit more to throw teams off..or just never use it.
I like BU's overall success at Illinois and putting together some good players this year. HIs subbing has been very frustrating over the years, very much this year. Booth gives length and can pop a 3, he will get better if given some minutes.
Agree, but "too nice" is no way to put it lol
ginabackes00
CrazedUIFan
As far as Booth goes, we don't see practices to know why there isn't confidence in playing him. We only see what happens in the game.
OFFICIATING: Missouri coach Gates criticized the officiating in Sunday's Braggin Rights game and with good reason. There were 43 fouls called in the game, 60 free throws shot. Thousands of fans in the Arena and many thousand more viewing the game of TV that paid good money or tuned in to see 2 rival teams play basketball NOT TO SEE the refs take the spotlight. I have watched many college games so far this year from all conferences and it seems more and more we see referees call phantom fouls or witness a player get mugged and nothing called. The phantom fouls are generally called on a break away layup when most times the referee has already made up his mind that the defender will foul the player going for a layup. A lot of times the defender doesn't touch him. The same thing on a defender going up to challenge an offensive player shooting a 2 or 3 pointer and falls to the floor, well he must have been fouled or he wouldn't have fell to the floor. One of the worst officials is Gene Carstensen who starts blowing the whistle coming out of the locker room.
My point is call the game fairly for both sides but most of all let the teams decide the game on the floor and not by a crucial call or at least none of the phantom calls. The NCAA needs to get these officials under control and not turn these games into who can make the most free throws.
My point is call the game fairly for both sides but most of all let the teams decide the game on the floor and not by a crucial call or at least none of the phantom calls. The NCAA needs to get these officials under control and not turn these games into who can make the most free throws.
Battle89
- Cary-Grove, the better Trojan team
Another reason I think MJ should be starting...it's not just that he is young and prone to committing fouls, it is that he is a freshman and gets zero respect from the refs, and therefore they are also prone to calling / anticipating fouls. At least two of his 'five' yesterday were clean plays.
I think being a starter might elevate his standing a bit with the officials, as well of course as what it would do for his internal psyche.
I dunno. One thing I always loved about the best running back ever Barry Sanders and WR ever Jerry Rice is they acted like they have been there before and expected success to not do all that other stuff. That can apply in ither sports too. I'm not saying that's my personality and that others have to be that way but you can be very good or even elite without to outwardly extremly emotional.
Battle89
- Cary-Grove, the better Trojan team
This should no longer surprise anyone.
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