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<blockquote data-quote="RickBB" data-source="post: 1263367" data-attributes="member: 244628"><p>I watched the game on DVR after catching the first half on the radio in the car. So I knew we had a lead but I didn't know we maintained it....a welcome surprise.</p><p></p><p>I think most people (but not all) aren't trying to run Tate out of town on the next train, but TJL needs to get 20+ minutes and Tate needs to get less than 10 and probably closer to 5 or less. He's not a bad human being, people are just saying we are an incredibly better basketball team with TJL running the point. And don't tell me "well, he gets some assists." Yeah, he does, someone, in a D1 basketball game HAS to make some points and someone has to pass those people the ball. The scores on blowouts are 80-50...not 100-0.</p><p></p><p>I'm gonna offend someone here I'm sure, but I'm not a fan of the advanced metrics that Groce is such a fan of (or that are used in all sports) and here's why. I think it keeps people from being accountable in their decisions. Why did you play Player A over Player B? Well our fancy practice stat software tells us his irrelevant practice stat is 13% points higher, so he plays. I find that gutless...you never take responsibility because you are just relying on some numbers to tell you what to do. </p><p></p><p>There are a lot of intelligent basketball fans out there that can tell if someone can play or not simply by using their eyes and understanding how the game is played. Some even post on this board. They don't need some numbers to validate their opinion. They can see someone understands spacing and mismatches and timing and placement of passes and all the different options that brings to the table for opportunities to score and put the opponent in high stress defensive possessions all the time.</p><p></p><p>Someone said that TA initiates the half court better than TJL. I don't agree. Don't let your desire for Tracy to have the ending to his career that he should get based on all he's been through to cloud what is actually going on. For Illinois to be the best team it can be, he probably sees his minutes reduced somewhat. If he can't regain his shot so he's a legit option at the 2, his minutes should be cut even more. As fans we may not like that...but I'd nearly guarantee, if that's what's best for the Illini to be successful he'll make that sacrifice. Would he rather play 20 minutes on an NCAA team or 28 on an NIT team.....I think that decision would be easy for him to make. That's not saying we won't need him to play more in some game, and he may win a game for us later on......but, I'd think for most people, they can see that the difference when TJL plays and when he doesn't is night and day.</p><p></p><p>I'm gonna go yell at some clouds now. Good win...I hope Groce sees the light. I actually want him to succeed this year and moving forward because I think he's a great person and representative of the O & B...but if he's too stubborn to see what a seeming majority of Illini fans see, then he deserves to pay for that with his job.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RickBB, post: 1263367, member: 244628"] I watched the game on DVR after catching the first half on the radio in the car. So I knew we had a lead but I didn't know we maintained it....a welcome surprise. I think most people (but not all) aren't trying to run Tate out of town on the next train, but TJL needs to get 20+ minutes and Tate needs to get less than 10 and probably closer to 5 or less. He's not a bad human being, people are just saying we are an incredibly better basketball team with TJL running the point. And don't tell me "well, he gets some assists." Yeah, he does, someone, in a D1 basketball game HAS to make some points and someone has to pass those people the ball. The scores on blowouts are 80-50...not 100-0. I'm gonna offend someone here I'm sure, but I'm not a fan of the advanced metrics that Groce is such a fan of (or that are used in all sports) and here's why. I think it keeps people from being accountable in their decisions. Why did you play Player A over Player B? Well our fancy practice stat software tells us his irrelevant practice stat is 13% points higher, so he plays. I find that gutless...you never take responsibility because you are just relying on some numbers to tell you what to do. There are a lot of intelligent basketball fans out there that can tell if someone can play or not simply by using their eyes and understanding how the game is played. Some even post on this board. They don't need some numbers to validate their opinion. They can see someone understands spacing and mismatches and timing and placement of passes and all the different options that brings to the table for opportunities to score and put the opponent in high stress defensive possessions all the time. Someone said that TA initiates the half court better than TJL. I don't agree. Don't let your desire for Tracy to have the ending to his career that he should get based on all he's been through to cloud what is actually going on. For Illinois to be the best team it can be, he probably sees his minutes reduced somewhat. If he can't regain his shot so he's a legit option at the 2, his minutes should be cut even more. As fans we may not like that...but I'd nearly guarantee, if that's what's best for the Illini to be successful he'll make that sacrifice. Would he rather play 20 minutes on an NCAA team or 28 on an NIT team.....I think that decision would be easy for him to make. That's not saying we won't need him to play more in some game, and he may win a game for us later on......but, I'd think for most people, they can see that the difference when TJL plays and when he doesn't is night and day. I'm gonna go yell at some clouds now. Good win...I hope Groce sees the light. I actually want him to succeed this year and moving forward because I think he's a great person and representative of the O & B...but if he's too stubborn to see what a seeming majority of Illini fans see, then he deserves to pay for that with his job. [/QUOTE]
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