Illinois #9 in 3/9 AP Poll

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Finished this regular season at:

#9 AP Poll
#5 KenPom
#6 Torvik
#6 NET

24-7
15-5 in the BIG / T2nd
Only losses to ranked opponents / receiving votes.
4 ranked wins / 2 of them on the road / 1 on a neutral.
11 of our 24 wins were by 20 points or more.
On pace for a 2 seed / 3 at worst.

If you only read this board, you'd think we're on the bubble.

:LOL:
Maybe selectively read this board. I think there's enough level heads here to offset the totally disconnected posts.

But yeah, some days.....



Edit: I am not insinuating that I am, in fact, one of the level heads.
 
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Ehhhhhh, I think there's a middle ground here. We've seen a lot of good basketball this year, and that has certainly been enjoyable, but based on the talent we have, there really isn't much excuse not to make it to the 2nd weekend unless there's some major extenuating circumstance. You just don't have a team capable of getting a 1 or 2 seed all that often, so when you do have one of those teams, it's very difficult to swallow going home early.

We've had 4 1 or 2 seed teams the past 25 years:

2001: 1seed. Lost in Elite 8
2005: 1seed. Lost in National Championship
2021: 1 seed. Lost in 2nd Round
2026: 2 seed.

2001 and 2005 is basically the average expectation when you get that sort of seed (Final 4 team). So if we were to go out 1st weekend as a 2 seed this year, there's going to be significant questions whether we like it or not, even if Brad made the Elite 8 as a 3 seed only 2 years ago. 1 and 2 seeds simply can't go out 1st weekend without fans thinking it's a failure unless something truly significant happens like a major injury. And even then you'll get fans upset.

So while most years I'd agree with you that making a Sweet 16 isn't the be all end all for a successful season, when you're one of the Top 8 teams in the country going into the tourney, the math changes. Losing in the 1st or 2nd round is just no longer an acceptable outcome for most fans and won't be seen as anything other than a failure to them.

2-seeds have reached the S16 64% of the time going back 40 years (and has been similar recently). Our F4 betting odds are ~21% even with the strength of this year's 1-seeds, so we probably have higher odds than historical 2-seeds in the early rounds. Our expectations may change once we see the draw and of course much more if our 7-seed loses, but I'll assume it's something like 70% to reach the S16.

Emotionally it would be a big letdown not to reach the S16, but objectively I'm trying to keep in mind the odds are low enough that we shouldn't judge the whole season on it. A meltdown or feeling out-coached or something could change that.

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During our win streak, lo those many moons ago, I thought we had a decent shot at a FF slot, and a hope of even more. I no longer feel that way. That is my disappointment. We are still a very good team, but greatness seemed so nearly within our grasp...

We can’t we make a FF now? We are currently a 2 seed.

I really want to understand this whole “not playing as well as we were when we lost to Wisconsin” thing-

We were 11.5 point favorites vs Wisconsin
We were 14.5 point favorites at Maryland

Within 3 points, so roughly similar games… we think we played better in the home loss than we did in the road win?

Did we give up more points in regulation vs Maryland (72) than vs Wisconsin (81)?

Did we have a better rebounding margin (+3 in both games)?

Did we allow better outside shooting vs Maryland (allowed 16-36 vs Wisconsin and 9-30 vs Maryland)?

Did Wisconsins guards not get downhill on us (49 points for Blackwell/Boyd)?

Did we have more turnovers vs Maryland (7) than we did vs Wisconsin (13)?

Did we create more turnovers off steals vs Wisconsin (0) than we did vs Maryland (5)?

I see no evidence we played better vs Wisconsin, but I did go back and look at the box score and noticed our 2nd and 3rd leading scorers and two best perimeter defenders didn’t play.

Actually thought we played worse vs Oregon, but hey, we played meh basketball and still won by 26… the sign of a great team.
 
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We can’t we make a FF now? We are currently a 2 seed.

I really want to understand this whole “not playing as well as we were when we lost to Wisconsin” thing-

We were 11.5 point favorites vs Wisconsin
We were 14.5 point favorites at Maryland

Within 3 points, so roughly similar games… we think we played better in the home loss than we did in the road win?

Did we give up more points in regulation vs Maryland (72) than vs Wisconsin (81)?

Did we have a better rebounding margin (+3 in both games)?

Did we allow better outside shooting vs Maryland (allowed 16-36 vs Wisconsin and 9-30 vs Maryland)?

Did Wisconsins guards not get downhill on us (49 points for Blackwell/Boyd)?

Did we have more turnovers vs Maryland (7) than we did vs Wisconsin (13)?

Did we create more turnovers off steals vs Wisconsin (0) than we did vs Maryland (5)?

I see no evidence we played better vs Wisconsin, but I did go back and look at the box score and noticed our 2nd and 3rd leading scorers and two best perimeter defenders didn’t play.

Actually thought we played worse vs Oregon, but hey, we played meh basketball and still won by 26… the sign of a great team.
You are asking me to defend a whole series of positions I never took. I am simply saying that it was a lot more fun being a fan when we were on a roll and beating everyone. We had an it factor. Now we don't.

We are still a good team.
 
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I would assume we could remain in the top 10 if we win Friday, regardless of Saturday's result (barring, I suppose, an absolute embarrassment. These are the seasons the Illini have been top 10 entering the NCAA Tournament in the "modern era" (defining as 1980 and forward), with their NCAAT seed and eventual result.

1984 - AP #6 ... Elite Eight as #2 seed
1989 - AP #3 ... Final Four as #1 seed
2001 - AP #4 ... Elite Eight as #1 seed
2005 - AP #1 ... National Runner-Up as #1 seed
2021 - AP #2 ... Second Round as #1 seed
2024 - AP #10 ... Elite Eight as #3 seed

Additional times where we were in the top 10 for the BTT (i.e., at this time of year) but NOT in the top 10 for the NCAA Tournament (i.e., we lost in the BTT to fall out) include the following:

2002 - AP #10 before BTT ... AP #13 for NCAAT ... Sweet Sixteen as #4 seed
2006 - AP #9 before BTT ... AP #13 for NCAAT ... Second Round as #4 seed

Other than the huge exception / stinker of 2021, top 10 Illini teams have performed quite well in the NCAA Tournament ... most of our "disappointing Tournament results" have been in years where we found ourselves in the #11-20 range to begin the NCAA Tournament, and we almost always went down in the Second Round, WAY too often as a #4 seed.

It's totally a "correlation doesn't equal causation" thing, but I think whether or not we are in the top 10 at this time next week will be either a good or worrying sign for this team's NCAA prospects. If we are out of the top 10, it is likely because we either lost on Friday or just got flat-out embarrassed by Michigan. If we are in the top 10, it is almost certainly because we won on Friday and looked respectable after that. In other words, while it will mean literally nothing in and of itself, a top 10 ranking next to our name as we begin this NCAA Tournament will be recognition that we LOOK like a top 10 team headed into March Madness, and that will be a good sign. And, if history is any guide, it means we are likely playing the type of basketball that can lead to a deep run!
 
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You are asking me to defend a whole series of positions I never took. I am simply saying that it was a lot more fun being a fan when we were on a roll and beating everyone. We had an it factor. Now we don't.

We are still a good team.

I don't understand your general position that we aren't playing as well right now, and gave reasons why

Nothing happened yesterday (or vs Oregon or Michigan or UCLA for that matter) that makes me think we're less of a team than we were when Boswell was out

EDIT: The whole Wisconsin vs Maryland analysis is probably where I lost you. There's a lot of posts (not yours) specifically saying we were playing better then.
 
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We can’t we make a FF now? We are currently a 2 seed.

I really want to understand this whole “not playing as well as we were when we lost to Wisconsin” thing-

We were 11.5 point favorites vs Wisconsin
We were 14.5 point favorites at Maryland

Within 3 points, so roughly similar games… we think we played better in the home loss than we did in the road win?

Did we give up more points in regulation vs Maryland (72) than vs Wisconsin (81)?

Did we have a better rebounding margin (+3 in both games)?

Did we allow better outside shooting vs Maryland (allowed 16-36 vs Wisconsin and 9-30 vs Maryland)?

Did Wisconsins guards not get downhill on us (49 points for Blackwell/Boyd)?

Did we have more turnovers vs Maryland (7) than we did vs Wisconsin (13)?

Did we create more turnovers off steals vs Wisconsin (0) than we did vs Maryland (5)?

I see no evidence we played better vs Wisconsin, but I did go back and look at the box score and noticed our 2nd and 3rd leading scorers and two best perimeter defenders didn’t play.

Actually thought we played worse vs Oregon, but hey, we played meh basketball and still won by 26… the sign of a great team.
Our raw efficiency numbers were better against MD (127.4/117.6 vs 122.7/125.4). But Torvik's opponent adjustment for Wisconsin swings that game to a decently better performance on defense even with the home/away adjustment. While the line was closer at the time, Wisconsin has demonstrated since/starting then that they're much better.

That said, this is significantly affected by some random luck on making shots. Our defensive metrics were elite against Oregon, but they were way off on lots of decent shots. And MD hit an unsustainable percentage of their long 2s (10-15 while Wisconsin was 3-14). Take away 3 of those makes, and the adjusted efficiency would be about the same as it was against Wisconsin (but still not good).

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I don't understand your general position that we aren't playing as well right now, and gave reasons why

Nothing happened yesterday (or vs Oregon or Michigan or UCLA for that matter) that makes me think we're less of a team than we were when Boswell was out
Sorry to jump in here. Not trying to be argumentative. But to anyone observing the games all season it is fairly obvious the team just hasn't been playing as well since, probably, the MSU loss right after the winning streak. That was a tough one to drop and one that was right there for the taking. We just didn't close it out.

We can go back and forth all week on reasons why, stats, this, that. But, we just do not look the same as we did before early Feb. Wins are not coming as easily as they were. Many beyond this board have commented on it repeatedly, including Werner, LaTulip, etc. who are pretty plugged in. Not that they are the be all, end all of evaluating the team, but they have been echoing what many posters have been observing.

Maybe it is the schedule got togher? Maybe it started when our three point shooting dip started? Maybe it started when KW started getting bodied with little help from the officials and got a couple of minor injuries? But to say the performance hasn't declined is overlooking the obvious, IMO.
 
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We can’t we make a FF now? We are currently a 2 seed.

I really want to understand this whole “not playing as well as we were when we lost to Wisconsin” thing-

We were 11.5 point favorites vs Wisconsin
We were 14.5 point favorites at Maryland

Within 3 points, so roughly similar games… we think we played better in the home loss than we did in the road win?

Did we give up more points in regulation vs Maryland (72) than vs Wisconsin (81)?

Did we have a better rebounding margin (+3 in both games)?

Did we allow better outside shooting vs Maryland (allowed 16-36 vs Wisconsin and 9-30 vs Maryland)?

Did Wisconsins guards not get downhill on us (49 points for Blackwell/Boyd)?

Did we have more turnovers vs Maryland (7) than we did vs Wisconsin (13)?

Did we create more turnovers off steals vs Wisconsin (0) than we did vs Maryland (5)?

I see no evidence we played better vs Wisconsin, but I did go back and look at the box score and noticed our 2nd and 3rd leading scorers and two best perimeter defenders didn’t play.

Actually thought we played worse vs Oregon, but hey, we played meh basketball and still won by 26… the sign of a great team.
Nothing has really changed except that we have gone ice cold from three. Starting with the second half at UCLA we haven’t knocked down open shots. We’re getting great looks. We got great looks yesterday. Have to make them at a higher rate. How’s THAT for some in-depth basketball analysis???? 😂
 
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I don't understand your general position that we aren't playing as well right now, and gave reasons why

Nothing happened yesterday (or vs Oregon or Michigan or UCLA for that matter) that makes me think we're less of a team than we were when Boswell was out

EDIT: The whole Wisconsin vs Maryland analysis is probably where I lost you. There's a lot of posts (not yours) specifically saying we were playing better then.
We had amazing wins against Purdue and Nebraska during our streak and no wow factor wins since that time.
Meanwhile, we blew a 23 point lead in Pauley Pavilion and barely showed up against Michigan.
I still expect us to make the second week, and have hopes of making the final eight. But beyond that? I used to think so, but now I don't.
Elite Eight is a great season, but my dreams were well beyond that... That is my version of disappointment.
 
#36      
I don't understand your general position that we aren't playing as well right now, and gave reasons why

Nothing happened yesterday (or vs Oregon or Michigan or UCLA for that matter) that makes me think we're less of a team than we were when Boswell was out

EDIT: The whole Wisconsin vs Maryland analysis is probably where I lost you. There's a lot of posts (not yours) specifically saying we were playing better then.
This sort of came up in another thread, but that was comparing the last 5 games to the 5 before that, where the last 5 weren't quite as good. Looking instead at the games w/out Boswell vs the games since then shows we were worse on O, better on D, and close to a wash overall:

Torvik AdjO/D:
Jan 18 - Feb 14 (5-2): 135.7/99.9 (+35.8)
Feb 15 - now (4-2): 132.7/98.0 (+34.7)
 
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Illini effectively lost all 4 coinflip games they played (Neb buzzer beater and 3 OT games). Say instead of going 0-4 they went 2-2 (say, beat UCLA and Wisconsin), finished 17-3 in conference and 23-5 overall. They'd effectively still be the 5th best team, but now the polls would likely agree with it. Do you feel significantly better about the season?
 
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I think part of what’s happening with the perception of the season is just a bit of a momentum shift. We showed some real promise at the beginning of the season against tough competition and then went through the mid season real strong, but then went 4-4 to close out the season, including a home loss to a supposedly lesser (albeit only slightly) Wisconsin team and a non-competitive loss at home against Michigan. It’s just been a tough go against the top third of the B1G at the end here, considering where we felt we were by the end of January. In fact, going back to Feb 1, we are 1-4 against that top 1/3, so it’s just kind of a disappointing close to the season. It doesn’t really help with the narrative that we start to get out-coached towards the end of the season as everyone figures out how to beat us, but I don’t believe that. At any rate, I think most of us had hoped we could have won at least one if not two more of those “peer level” games, and I think in part it also just felt like we got out hustled or out muscled a bit in those losses. Hopefully we at least win our first game in the B1G tournament and make it to the second weekend in March Madness. I agree that objectively this has actually been an amazing season, but I can also feel at the same time that playing strong and with maximum effort will go a long way to making us feel a bit better about this season as a whole, no matter the outcome.
 
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We had amazing wins against Purdue and Nebraska during our streak and no wow factor wins since that time.
Meanwhile, we blew a 23 point lead in Pauley Pavilion and barely showed up against Michigan.
I still expect us to make the second week, and have hopes of making the final eight. But beyond that? I used to think so, but now I don't.
Elite Eight is a great season, but my dreams were well beyond that... That is my version of disappointment.

No wow factor wins since Purdue/Nebraska: only real chance at a wow factor win since then was Michigan, who has made a lot of teams look worse than they really are.

UCLA is a good team that has only lost one game (in OT) at home all season.

We took care of business in the last two games. The main (and really only) thing that’s been worse as of late is 3 point shooting. Which fluctuates and is volatile.

Nothing in here that saps my hopes for the season, tbh.
 
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The context is great and good to keep in mind. I think the winning streak through January set the bar super high, for better or worse.
The thing is, the fan discontent this season started during the 12 game win streak.

Some of the most brutal post game threads of the season were after the 8 point win @ Penn St and the 26 point win against Rutgers, where we “lost the second half by 2 points”.

And of course the worst post game thread of the entire season was immediately before the 12 game win streak, the 3 point buzzer beater loss to Nebraska.

This team was pre-season #17 in the AP poll. Yet finished the season #9 in the very same poll and somehow did not live up to fan expectations.
 
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No wow factor wins since Purdue/Nebraska: only real chance at a wow factor win since then was Michigan, who has made a lot of teams look worse than they really are.

UCLA is a good team that has only lost one game (in OT) at home all season.

We took care of business in the last two games. The main (and really only) thing that’s been worse as of late is 3 point shooting. Which fluctuates and is volatile.

Nothing in here that saps my hopes for the season, tbh.
At least we scored boatloads of points in the paint against Maryland. But if we can out rebound our opponents that buys us a lot of second chance points after those misses to keep our offensive efficiency up. I was also tickled to see how aggressive KW was on defense, stealing away a couple more possessions.
 
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The thing is, the fan discontent this season started during the 12 game win streak.

Some of the most brutal post game threads of the season were after the 8 point win @ Penn St and the 26 point win against Rutgers, where we “lost the second half by 2 points”.

And of course the worst post game thread of the entire season was immediately before the 12 game win streak, the 3 point buzzer beater loss to Nebraska.

This team was pre-season #17 in the AP poll. Yet finished the season #9 in the very same poll and somehow did not live up to fan expectations.
That remains to be seen. Still games to be played. Don't think anyone has stated as much, tbf. Not recently playing up to expectations is the ongoing conversation from what I've seen. If a deep run is not in the cards this year, then the team will not have lived up to its own expectations as has been stated in many pre and post game interviews throughout the season.
 
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We finish the regular season ranked in the top 10, and there are complaints about how this season has become "less fun". Wow the dark years of the 2010's are in the deep past...

FWIW, I would be disappointed if the team did not make at least the second weekend of the tourney, but it does not make the season an utter failure that some would make it. However, it would make for an uglier offseason commentary, so let's just make a run to at least the Elite 8 (the team will be in seeding position to be a slight favorite to make it this far).
 
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I got randomly interested in Torvik's Game Score* metric, even though I'm not entirely sure if it's a good/accurate measuring stick or not.

As a fun exercise, I went to look at the game scores for the 2021 team. Obviously a lot of really great games. But a lot of odd low scores too. A 66 in our home loss to OSU. A 47 in our loss to MSU on 2/23/21. A total of 4 games in the regular season with sub-80 scores. And the of course the Loyola game, where our game score was 50 (2nd worst of the season).

This current team has had exactly one game with a sub-80 game score, when we got a 62 against UConn. It seems that this team is just less prone to outright bad games, which does, I think, bode well in the tournament. But a good game (according to game score) also does not necessarily mean we win. 4 of our losses this season came in games where we had a game score of 90 or more.

So that's the good news. We don't have outright bad games. The bad news is that the likely 1-seeds are like that on speed, especially now that Florida has likely supplanted UConn (a team that is very prone to a bad game here and there).

*Game score is metric that measures a team's performance in a given game on a 0-100 scale.
 
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A lot of the discussion too has been “we just aren’t playing as good now as we were before!”.

But is that really true?

Looking at the 9 games since our @Nebraska game, which was our last “big” win, here’s how they went:

A 40 point win vs Northwestern.
A 3 point OT loss @ #8 MSU without Boswell.
A 2 point OT loss vs #23 Wisconsin without Boswell *and* Andrej.
A 20 point win vs Indiana.
A 36 point win @ USC.
A 1 point OT loss @ UCLA.
A 14 point loss vs #3 Michigan.
A 26 point win vs Oregon.
A 6 point win @ Maryland.

4 losses, sure. But have we really played that bad?

If you sort Torvik by date, on the season we’re ranked #6 and since Feb 2 (the day after the Nebraska game), we’re ranked… #5.
 
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Illini effectively lost all 4 coinflip games they played (Neb buzzer beater and 3 OT games). Say instead of going 0-4 they went 2-2 (say, beat UCLA and Wisconsin), finished 17-3 in conference and 23-5 overall. They'd effectively still be the 5th best team, but now the polls would likely agree with it. Do you feel significantly better about the season?
I'll bite! My answer is yes, but not just because we would have gotten lucky in some coin flip games whereas in our timeline we got unlucky.

1) I'll grant Nebraska and MSU as "fair losses," in that we dug our own grave in the first Nebraska matchup and it was just flat-out greedy of us to be too mad about not winning in OT at MSU, YET AGAIN without Boswell. So, I don't think we "should have won" either game.

2) The Wisconsin home game is tricky, as they have proven more than capable of beating very good teams on the road, and we were down two starters. With that said, I found that game to be the first truly concerning result of ours since UConn in November because we just REFUSED to pull away. We opened it up to an 11-point lead with 11:21 to go, and we let them hang around. We got it to a 7-point lead with 6:49 to go, and we allowed Wisconsin to just keep on scoring vs. our defense and eventually tie it at 76 with 2:10 left. Wagler hit a huge shot to give us a 3-point lead with 1:53 left, and we couldn't stop the Badgers, who tied it with a three of their own. We then went up 80-78 with 1:12 to go, and we gave up yet another three to Wisconsin to give them the lead for the first time in a long time. Luckily Keaton at least hit one of two FTs to tie it, but then we completely folded in OT to go down 8 with 2:36 before our mini Fake Comeback failed. It's not really about Wisconsin as a team, it's that we already did what we had to do - play well enough to put ourselves in a position to just close out the Badgers. Instead, it showed the first worrying signs of us letting teams hang around, and we let them hang around enough to beat us.

3) Very similar to Wisconsin, the loss vs. UCLA isn't so much that an OT loss on the road to a team who's fantastic at home is a huge deal ... it's that we were up TWENTY and looked fantastic, and then it's like we just forgot how to play basketball. It's one thing if our shots just go cold ... that happens. But I think we were all hopeful that our defense had turned a corner to the extent that we could hunker down and at least hold on to a big lead by virtue of just not allowing the other team to go nuclear on us shooting. Part of another team getting hot shooting is just bad luck/them making tough shots, but part of it is ALWAYS the other team's defense, too.

Needless to say, it also just sucks that in this particular regular season, a single loss does indeed make such a massive difference. We would be in a much rosier position right now (at least IMO) if we were the #3 seed in the BTT and getting that path to Sunday, and hanging on to just one of those two games does the trick. Additionally, with how crowded the #2/3 seed group is for the NCAAs and how many teams would want St. Louis, one game also had massive ramifications there, too.

Add on our surprisingly lackluster effort vs. Michigan (emphasis on effort, which has nothing to do with how good Michigan is...) and a too-close-for-comfort game vs. a VERY bad Maryland team, and I think it's understandable for fans to feel somewhat deflated compared to back in mid-February. With that said? We have everything in front of us. Nothing that has happened up to this point is that big of a deal as far as handicapping a potential run to the Elite Eight or beyond. We definitely have to regain the toughness on defense that we had during the win streak and vs. Indiana/USC (two games where I personally felt we looked AT LEAST as good as during our impressive win streak, both notably post-Wisconsin loss), but we can do it.
 
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I'll just say that the comments about the whole season being a disappointment if we don't make it to 2nd weekend are hard for me to understand

If this team finishes with a 27-9 record and played 14+ Q1A games or whatever it is and won half (or more) of them and you claim to have gotten zero enjoyment out of that as a whole, that's hard for me to understand... like maybe find a different hobby?

(I'm not saying people can't fan however they want to, go ahead and knock yourself out, I'm saying I don't understand it)
I’ve harped on this a few times…some of yall probably have me muted at this point lol

But it’s a really tough debate to have IMO. As a whole, college bball success is based on what you do in March. For a program like Illinois (or at least the way we view ourselves)…1 second weekend in 20 years is pretty awful

On the other hand, a lot of fans and teams would die for the regular season success we’ve had the last 5 years. Some of those fans were us in the 2010’s…dark times…

The deep run in March is what you dream of though. Teams make it happen even with very average regular seasons. I don’t think it’s THAT unreasonable to say that a team who has gotten final four hype for the last 3 months would be a huge disappointment to not make the sweet 16. Especially if we end up on the 2 seed line
 
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This team was pre-season #17 in the AP poll. Yet finished the season #9 in the very same poll and somehow did not live up to fan expectations.
One possible explanation for the disconnect you've pointed out: fan expectations may not be the same as those of (the somewhat out of touch) AP poll voters.

Another possible explanation: between the start of the season and now, the team might have appeared to be on course to a higher projected level of success than some people might believe is likely now.

A third possible explanation: fans who post here are at times unreasonable, perhaps reflecting the fact that fans here represent a subset of the set of fanatics.
 
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During our winning streak, our Torvik net adjusted efficiency was +38. Since then, it's been +32.8. So yes, according to that, we took a step back.

But on Feb 4, before the NW game, we had the 10th best odds to win the NCAAT at +1800 to +2500. Now, we have the 6/7th best odds at +1700 to +2000.

Our eyes probably got too big during that winning streak. We have exceeded (rational) expectations since then.

Edit: our odds may have been 5th at +1100 to +1200 on Feb 9, in which case they have come down since then. So the NW and MSU games apparently pushed our odds up a bit. I'll see if I can find when they came back down.
 
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We finish the regular season ranked in the top 10, and there are complaints about how this season has become "less fun". Wow the dark years of the 2010's are in the deep past...

FWIW, I would be disappointed if the team did not make at least the second weekend of the tourney, but it does not make the season an utter failure that some would make it. However, it would make for an uglier offseason commentary, so let's just make a run to at least the Elite 8 (the team will be in seeding position to be a slight favorite to make it this far).
I get what you are saying, but expectations have to logically ebb and flow based on new circumstances. We were all very ecstatic in February of 2020 where we simply looked like an actual competitive, nationally relevant basketball team again because what we had witnessed for the decade before that was just so bad. However, that was six years ago now ... and we have come a long way. We can't compare every season to the John Groce Era forever, because we are not in the same spot anymore. Nobody circa 2006 was comparing Illini Basketball to what it was in the mid-1990s and for good reason.

Things also change significantly during the course of a season. The fact is that after we obliterated Northwestern on February 4 to complete an incredible 12-game winning streak, we legitimately did look like a Final Four contender, and a #1 seed was not some crazy goal. However, that goal assumed that we could beat Wisconsin at home and sweep the West Coast trip ... maybe those were overly optimistic even at the time, but that is where our heads reasonably were! I honestly think if we had come out and beat Maryland by 20, fans would be A LOT more optimistic right now. How we bounced back vs. Oregon was legitimately impressive, and it looked like we had regained our groove. The Maryland game seemed to revive a lot of issues we were hoping were dead and gone, such as continuing to jack up ill-advised threes when it was clear we were having a cold shooting night and not being able to get as many defensive stops as we needed and as we were getting a month ago. If this team comes out and beats a streaking Wisconsin team - something we are more than capable of doing - all will be well again, and even our most pessimistic fans will start dreaming of revenge against Michigan. ;)
 
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