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altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
lol. Anyone have the Sgt. Hulka GIF handy for our friend?
You're right. I will not be happy until 9 players score in double digits, zero turnovers, an assist on every basket, no PFs, and 5 guys get double digit rebounds (OK, I don't want to be unresaonable).
Yea, where's that thumbs down button when we need it?
Do I feel sorry for Indiana
Na. Remember back when Kelvin Samson stole a committed Eric Gordon from Bruce Weber? At which point it was too late to get the next best player who had committed elesware (as a side note I never worried about Bruce getting caught cheating). And how long did they prioritize winning over decency with Bobby? Quit an ugly night in Assembly Hall. Sorry for the players and coaches who have to fight through it.
Na. Remember back when Kelvin Samson stole a committed Eric Gordon from Bruce Weber? At which point it was too late to get the next best player who had committed elesware (as a side note I never worried about Bruce getting caught cheating). And how long did they prioritize winning over decency with Bobby? Quit an ugly night in Assembly Hall. Sorry for the players and coaches who have to fight through it.
I think a little bit of both. His 3 point shot certainly wasn't the most important thing on staff's mind... that being said, our guys went way, way under.
BillyBob1
- Champaign
How many coaches turned them down last time before they settled on Woodson? Just imagine how many they contact this time!
There will always be those who aren't happy unless we win 130-7.
For the record, I don't believe our effort was all that bad in the second half. If anything, Indiana finally woke up and tried to match our first half effort.
He could bring Epps along too!!Ed Cooley would be a good fit for a bulls**t University
Yeah, in every efficiency system there are ways to game the system if you have at least some statistical/mathematical knowledge of how the system works. For example, RPI screwed midmajors and any power conference team that scheduled opponents ranked in the 300s. Kenpom similarly makes it advantageous to not schedule opponents ranked in the 300s and also skews in favor of teams that effectively can play low possession games.
April’s on mute for the staff. She clearly doesn’t know how metrics work when it comes to the NET
NET though, as you said has pretty much no limiters on efficiency and because of that, racking up insane margins of victory is the best way to a high rank and better seed. In NET you get better metrics blowing out the worst team in college basketball at home by 50 than you do beating a Top 10 team on the road by a bucket. It's ridiculous but it's what it is. So you schedule absolute scrubs and ranked teams to make your efficiency and quad stats look good, and you leave your starters in to run up the score. Brad understands this.
And yes, it's certainly aggravating to people who don't understand it, to parents of bench players, and to opponents who are getting their doors blown off, but it's what NET rewards. So that's what's done by good savvy coaches. And for the people who hate this or think it rewards the wrong things, I agree with you, as does most of the statistical community, but it's a NET is trash issue, not a coaching or sportsmanship issue.
This was amazing. No idea who this guy is, but a few things I noticed as I listened at 2x speed (so maybe I heard him wrong):
1) Rice is capable of playing like Tyrese Halliburton? Maybe in the gold medal game where he rode the line. Rice a fine college basketball, but if that’s your expectation, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.
2) I think I heard gritty leave a chat.
3) wouldn’t rehire Sampson (reprobate) or Pearl. So not a winning is everything crowd. Somebody let me know once he weighs in on Beard.
4) still has Woodson > Archie. That seemed crazy to me, I didn’t realize how bad Archie Miller was at IU (never finished above .500 in conference or made the NCAA) and a complete lack of traction at Rhode Island.
As I said after the USC game, at an individual game level this team has a very high ceiling and relatively low floor. On a good day we can run pretty much anyone in the country off the floor. Our range of outcomes over the course of a season is much narrower - we should finish in the top 3-4 of the Big 10 and should make the second weekend of the tourney, but we will have enough NW or USC type games to keep us from a conference championship or advancing past the Sweet 16 or the Elite 8 (if we do well)
I’m pretty sure Galloway was not listed by Underwood as a player they were looking to keep off the 3pt line.
Humrichous if nothing else seems very dialed in on the defensive scout, and he went way under screens and made no attempt to close out on some of those early ones.
I know this is done for a reason, but I think with the volatile nature of shooting percentages in general it backfires far too often for my liking.
If your scout shows a guy who just doesn't shoot them at all - think Ty Rodgers or, well, even Kofi - I think you are fine to leave those players open on the perimeter and you can safely clog the middle a bit more. However, if a guy is a career 25% three point shooter - think Grant Nelson (Alabama) or more recently Rashaun Agee (USC) - you have to know he is shooting that low percentage because he's likely being guarded out there to some degree. If you just leave them wide open for rhythm 3s then I bet they make a much higher percentage of them. My approach to scouting shooters would be more so whether or not they shoot them, and not so much what their percentages are. If a guy is 4 for 17 from three, (1) that's an awful small sample size to determine he isn't a threat out there, and (2) the attempts show he has a green light from coach to shoot them provided they are good shots.
Y'all, it was just a hard box out. Nothing dirty about it. Complete effort play. Heck, he would've been (and was) cheered for the same effort while he was here and he was the only one on Indiana playing that way -- that play should be a compliment to what Brad instills in his players, rather than an indictment on Luke. He was playing his butt off when the game was out of hand, while other Indiana players couldn't even be driven to play hard when the game was close.
Bigger picture: can we learn to not immediately turn on players that left this program, especially ones that were important contributors for several years? Luke invested his heart and soul while here and then wanted to go home. All of that is laudable in my book. If you're trashing him because he's suddenly wearing a different jersey, I think it says a whole lot more about you than it does him.
I always wondered how big of an effect getting Fletched has on one's shooting until they get used to their new strength since there's so much reliance on muscle memory. I don't doubt Will might be struggling with that a bit and it might be similar in some ways to Podz's shot just not going his freshman year.
That said, an even larger part of it is going up against longer faster and far more physical competition that makes you work a lot harder to attempt a far more uncomfortable shot. It's a tale as old as time in the B10- highly rated freshman recruit shoots lights out against scrub schools in the non-con, then gets to conference play and can't buy a shoot looking overwhelmed most of the minutes they play. Simply life in the B10. There's a reason why B10 seniors salivate when they see freshies- 95 times out of 100 they bully them all game and take their lunch money
But really, even if bulking up is the sole reason for Will's struggles, his parents need some perspective. The only way Will performs well in the league is by getting a lot more strength on him. So whether he's putting it on in college or putting it on in the NBA, either way, he's going to have to deal with it. Better to deal with it now, take the offseason to strengthen up and get used to the new body, light it up next year and be a lottery pick.
Awesome win! Great bounce back, on the road, from agame at home. Nobody could have expected a Hoosier beat down at IU the way we laid the wood on them.
Anyone with any complaints about our performance tonight needs to get laid, have a stiff drink, or get a therapist! Great win Illini!
IU is mostly just a relic of a bygone era. They're closing in on a decade since they last won a conference title or made it to the Sweet 16. They cling so tightly to their dusty national titles - but it's become more and more clear that those are more attributable to two very good coaches rather than a program.
We had some lean years of our own, sure. But you could write that up to one bad hire. IU is about to be onto their 4th coach since their last championship. The guy on the sidelines keeps changing but the mediocrity remains.
And I love it.
We had some lean years of our own, sure. But you could write that up to one bad hire. IU is about to be onto their 4th coach since their last championship. The guy on the sidelines keeps changing but the mediocrity remains.
And I love it.
Yep. Who would have thunk that the other team might make adjustments or respond somewhat to some halftime yelling by the coach and getting punked in their own gym.
The original poster calls out KJ and Tomi for nonproductive second half, even though it was their first half that led to the big lead. Then he mentions 3 players who stepped it up in second half. So I guess that means the TEAM did what it was supposed to — pick up the other players when they’re struggling. Not every player is going to be perfect every play or even for every stretch of a game. Just as not every fan shows their best side during or after every game. Just need to look at USC postgame thread to see that.
Had an IU buddy that was at the game. Asked him if he left at halftime. He said the exits were too crowded..JakaciOMG
There is no regular season game I like winning more than beating IU in Bloomington. And to beat them so bad that their own fans gave up on them and disrespected them after 20 minutes was justexquisite.
I don't know what you expect from shooters at the collegiate level, but Luke never shot below 37% in any of his 3 seasons here including 42% in '22/'23 and 39% last year on 4 attempts/game. It's really interesting this is your recollection.I am sure Luke is "good kid". Yeah, he kept us in a couple games during his 3 years here, but bye and large he consistently under-delivered.
He was a weak link on D that got exploited and wasn't anywhere near the "elite" sharp shooter. Countless missed wide open 3's that could have swung momentum for us while he was here and then typically would get a foul shortly thereafter because he got beat on D.
Ben is a an upgrade and J Davis probably is as well.
So that if that is me doing me, I'm "goode" with that
Logically, it could go further than that. If one of Ben's NAIA years does not count, then both of his NAIA years should not count. That would give him two more years in the NCAA after this one. If we allow him a COVID "bonus" year, he could even have a third year in the NCAA whilst pursuing a PhD in the classroom. Then again, logic and the NCAA rarely go hand-in-hand.
If it is then that's even worse. The kid is supposed to have pro dreams and is too skinny for college ball.
He's going to need to add a lot more strength and explosiveness if he wants to achieve that lottery pick ceiling.
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