Illinois Basketball 2016-2017

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AEX

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Danger Zone
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IlliniFan17 said:
Any chance Malcolm sees minutes at sg? Allowing more minutes for either DJW or Nichols
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I think there is a greater chance we see Malcolm at PG. I could see a line-up of Thorne, Finke, AJ, JCL, and Malcolm in which Thorne is allowed a ton of space inside to operate in the post and the opportunity to kick out for threes. This line up might be what corrects our bad habit of taking long 2's.

The problem would be defense. But I think Finke might prove a better defender against 4's than 5's. And I think both AJ and JCL could make gains on the defensive side of the ball this year.
 
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rtbritt

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TownieMatt said:
My grid certainly isn't meant to predict a 12 man rotation. As others have mentioned, players with less than 10 min/game really aren't rotation players. Check min/game stats from previous years. It's actually surprising how many minutes non-rotation players average over the course of a season from mop-up and spot minutes.


It can also be somewhat misleading. If a player plays the final 5 minutes of a blowout 40 point game, and never plays in a game the rest of the year, he will average 5 minutes a game, because I believe it is minutes per games played, not average number of minutes divided by average number of games the team has.
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CrazedUIFan

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UI Fan in QC Land
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Only going by what has been said about Kipper, I like that we add another gritty player. This team needs some toughness. With Abrams and Black back, I think it could help improve the competitiveness/toughness in practice and in games. Hopefully Black can learn to harness his aggressiveness in the right way.
 
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ILL in IA

ILL in IA
Iowa City
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CrazedUIFan said:
Only going by what has been said about Kipper, I like that we add another gritty player. This team needs some toughness. With Abrams and Black back, I think it could help improve the competitiveness/toughness in practice and in games. Hopefully Black can learn to harness his aggressiveness in the right way.
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I have hope that Abrams and Black and Big Bo for that matter too, were able to learn a lot from the time having to sit out. I really think guys are able to see the game a lot differently when they aren't able to play for an extended period of time.
 
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ILL in IA said:
I have hope that Abrams and Black and Big Bo for that matter too, were able to learn a lot from the time having to sit out. I really think guys are able to see the game a lot differently when they aren't able to play for an extended period of time.
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Despite any physical limitations Abrams may have from his injuries, it'll be interesting to see how sitting out for two years affects his game. I would think that could benefit a point guard the most. Sure, there are many cons for being out of the game for that long, but I can't help but think that his basketball IQ will be significantly different.
 
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CrazedUIFan

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Newman said:
Despite any physical limitations Abrams may have from his injuries, it'll be interesting to see how sitting out for two years affects his game. I would think that could benefit a point guard the most. Sure, there are many cons for being out of the game for that long, but I can't help but think that his basketball IQ will be significantly different.
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Agree. I believe it will help him be a better leader on the court. The big question mark is can he physically translate what he's learned being on the sidelines for 2 years.
 
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rtbritt

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Newman said:
Despite any physical limitations Abrams may have from his injuries, it'll be interesting to see how sitting out for two years affects his game. I would think that could benefit a point guard the most. Sure, there are many cons for being out of the game for that long, but I can't help but think that his basketball IQ will be significantly different.
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CrazedUIFan said:
Agree. I believe it will help him be a better leader on the court. The big question mark is can he physically translate what he's learned being on the sidelines for 2 years.
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Let's look at the bright side and think that this could jumpstart his coaching career if he wants to go that route.

Surely, sitting on the bench 2 straight years would be kind of a resume-booster for a future coach, right?:thumb:
 
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IlliniBrave75

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CrazedUIFan said:
Agree. I believe it will help him be a better leader on the court. The big question mark is can he physically translate what he's learned being on the sidelines for 2 years.
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If he can't physically translate what he has learned, hopefully he can help teach what he has learned/seen to our young guys!
 
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Lucy727

Lucy727
Des Plaines, Il
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Newman said:
Despite any physical limitations Abrams may have from his injuries, it'll be interesting to see how sitting out for two years affects his game. I would think that could benefit a point guard the most. Sure, there are many cons for being out of the game for that long, but I can't help but think that his basketball IQ will be significantly different.
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Well just look how well Derrick Rose came back after missing about 2 years. :( (sarcasm alert: DRose seemed to have forgotten lots while he was out)
 
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bel96

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Indiana
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The official basketball website has leron black listed as a redshirt sophomore on the roster for 2016-17
 
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Illiniguy13

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millineum said:
Don't get the love for Tate, he has been awful and isn't getting better, regressing. I'd prefer Tate to have the LaTulip/Nate mast role this year.
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I was strongly pro Tate until this year. I think he was a plus on the court with his vision and ability to attack the basket, which we actually saw a lot his sophomore year. Limitations and all, I thought he helped the team. Not so much anymore. Seems like his defense regressed and he just doesn't look to attack anymore :huh: I'd love to see Tejon get tossed into the fire.
 
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Newman

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millineum said:
Don't get the love for Tate, he has been awful and isn't getting better, regressing. I'd prefer Tate to have the LaTulip/Nate mast role this year.
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I don't think he is regressing, his assist to turnover ratio actually improved last year and his 3 pt % more than doubled (kinda joking with that but it is true). We know what his floor is, and honestly it's not too bad for a pg that will only be needed for maybe 10 mpg. I don't know if this is "love for Tate", just acceptance for what he is.. an okay emergency backup.
 
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muskyman99

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I just want to have twelve healthy players. The coaching staff will figure out the eight or nine man rotation. by the way, was Abrahms granted his sixth year?c
 
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Illiniguy13

Illiniguy13
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Newman said:
I don't think he is regressing, his assist to turnover ratio actually improved last year and his 3 pt % more than doubled (kinda joking with that but it is true). We know what his floor is, and honestly it's not too bad for a pg that will only be needed for maybe 10 mpg. I don't know if this is "love for Tate", just acceptance for what he is.. an okay emergency backup.
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In my eyes his defense regressed. And for whatever reason(injury maybe?) we didn't see much of Tate in attack mode this year...that was the Tate I was more than accepting of. That Tate was better than okay emergency backup in my eyes. The hustle kind of went out the window.
 
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whovous

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Tate showed a lot of promise his first two years, but he definitely fell back after his injury last year, especially on defense. I am hopeful he will approach the new season with a new spirit.
 
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Greensboro

Greensboro
Greensboro
Newman said:
I don't think he is regressing, his assist to turnover ratio actually improved last year and his 3 pt % more than doubled (kinda joking with that but it is true). We know what his floor is, and honestly it's not too bad for a pg that will only be needed for maybe 10 mpg. I don't know if this is "love for Tate", just acceptance for what he is.. an okay emergency backup.
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I think it depends on your definition of okay & emergency. Last year he seemed to play his way behind Hill in pg rotation, despite a desperate need for Hill to also help out at the 4. Nothing against Tate, but the farther down the depth chart he falls, probably the better for us. We really need Abrams to be back to the level of 2 years ago and keep Tate mostly off the floor. Hoping Tate or TJL are the answer next season at pg is fine, but needing them to be the answer at pg is likely the beginning of a long season and my worst fear.
 
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millineum

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Main problem is tate isn't a threat from anywhere outside of 10 feet, and he isn't good enough to take someone off the dribble when they sag off him 4 feet. Can't make them pay so its basically like playing 4 on 5 on offense. Plus he isn't big enough to finish strong at the rim. Really hoping abrams comes back strong and Lucas has a great freshman year, don't see why we keep wanting to give tate time when he's a senior and hasn't improved.
 
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millineum said:
Main problem is tate isn't a threat from anywhere outside of 10 feet, and he isn't good enough to take someone off the dribble when they sag off him 4 feet. Can't make them pay so its basically like playing 4 on 5 on offense. Plus he isn't big enough to finish strong at the rim. Really hoping abrams comes back strong and Lucas has a great freshman year, don't see why we keep wanting to give tate time when he's a senior and hasn't improved.
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I don't want to give Tate minutes, I think 10 minutes is just an optimistic and realistic expectation when the other 2 point guards are coming off serious injuries. I would hope it's not higher, and would be pleased if it's lower.
 
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Illwinsagain

Illwinsagain
Cary, IL
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Serious Late said:
Are you referring to the grid listed above? That was pretty much a 9 man rotation posted. 5-6-7 minutes per game aren't players expected to be in the rotation. Even with an 8-9 man rotation, some mop up minutes and spot minutes are going to be given to the other players.
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I can't wait until we such a large lead, that we have mop up minutes!
 
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kaptain80

kaptain80
STL
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Newman said:
I don't think he is regressing, his assist to turnover ratio actually improved last year and his 3 pt % more than doubled (kinda joking with that but it is true). We know what his floor is, and honestly it's not too bad for a pg that will only be needed for maybe 10 mpg. I don't know if this is "love for Tate", just acceptance for what he is.. an okay emergency backup.
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It's not really regression, I suppose, but that his actual production didn't rise as fast as our expectation of his production. Use expectation as the baseline and it appears to be regression.

See also: my career.
 
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