The four early enrollees count against 2016, not 2017.
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The four early enrollees count against 2016, not 2017.
mhuml32
- Cincinnati, OH
I think alstott is for depth purposes. If the top 2 qbs on the depth chart get injuried (crouch, lawson) they don't want to burn cam thomas redshirt or play a qb who doesn't really fit their system (jg jr). They were 1 injury away from starting a non qb or non scholarship qb last year. I'm sure they do not want to be in that situation again. Also running qbs are more susceptible to injury so they are just covering their basis.
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And next year seems loaded at dt in the recruiting area. Dunno our shot with them just an observation.
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FT35
- Naperville
I'm only counting 10 Scholarship Seniors. Thus, that is the number depending on how we fill out this class. Could be 2-5 additional before taking into account guys who will transfer which is obviously unknown at this point. Usually it's 3-4.
This is why graduate transfers would be a nice way to address some of our immediate needs.
I know it was reported as such, but I was told by someone over there that Singletary does not have an offer right now. Perhaps they are waiting until he visits.
FT35
- Naperville
You're right. I was under the impression that it was a hard 28 limit. For an extreme example:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...cruiting-how-can-a-m-take-34-recruits-in-2013
Read somewhere that there are 54 or 55 scholarship players right now (not counting the early enrollies to make things easier) out of a max of 85. So it's just math problem. If we get 25 commits this year 55 + 25 =80 scholarship players this year. 80 - 10 (seniors next year)= 70 scholarships out of a max of 85 so 15 would be available for 2018. Not to mention there will be natural attrition of 4 to 5 players which means a likely class of 20 or so for next year.
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Yep, in terms of true need, Creamer would probably be right up there as your #1, although I think there's an argument for Debose/Harris/Roundtree as they may be more day 1 ready than Oladipo? We still need day 1 depth at DE, whereas ideally in Sumpter/Jones/Watkins, we can find a second corner to supplement Dunlap for 2017. I view Creamer, Debose/Harris/Roundtree and Roberson as the only "roll out the red carpet, must get" tier guys for us remaining in this class. After that, add whoever you think can contribute and don't reach, and offer/land a punter.
FT35
- Naperville
I doubt that Harris is more day 1 ready than Oladipo since he's only listed at 215 lbs. He's a guy who would probably not be able to contribute at DE until 2019. What makes him such a great recruit is that he could play a number of positions for us as his coach said he could be an OLB or a WR as well.
Debose is the only one that I really think is better than Oladipo in terms of adding depth next year. Roundtree isn't far off. You can really see in the highlights why Woods and Pate are ranked where they are. Good size but they are really not explosive at all. They may end up as 3 Technique DTs. Singletary is really explosive but he is more in line with Harris in term of size and you have to question what he'll look like after adding 20-30 lbs. I have no issue with adding him since we need projectable guys who can add depth in a couple of years.
Adensaya still hasn't played a down while McGrew only played sparingly. Then you are getting to guys like Roberts, Crawford, Jones, etc. I know scout.com listed Odenigbo as #1 at one of the DE spots heading into the spring but I doubt he's moved from DT. It's going to be interesting to see how things shake out at DE next year.
I really liked what I saw out of Sumpter and Watkins last year. Both got two starts last year so it will be interesting to see who wins that battle. Neither is anywhere near the level of Dunlap but I hope they take a leap forward next year. Jones I'm guessing was redshirted because I don't remember seeing him play at all last year? It looks like he has a size advantage over the other DBs. I wasn't a big fan of Hayes when he was in there but he'll be gone after 2017.
Adams, Hobbs and Williams would be fine for 2018 and beyond. It would be nice to add Creamer into that mix but that's a longshot even if he does visit.
Ok let me try to do a little math here
we are at 20 commits right now, 4 already in school
we can sign 25
over sign by 3 so 28
I think this is right at this point an time so
20-4=16
28-16=12
so we still have room for 12 more ???
if so I do agree I think they would like to have 3 or 4 at least for 5th year guys. BUT I also think if they have offers out there and can get FR they will not worry about saveing anything. When is the last time we were ever worried about not having room for good players ?
we are at 20 commits right now, 4 already in school
we can sign 25
over sign by 3 so 28
I think this is right at this point an time so
20-4=16
28-16=12
so we still have room for 12 more ???
if so I do agree I think they would like to have 3 or 4 at least for 5th year guys. BUT I also think if they have offers out there and can get FR they will not worry about saveing anything. When is the last time we were ever worried about not having room for good players ?
I think the idea is that they will be even more successful at recruiting next year having a full year plus to recruit.
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10 seniors so you have 10 scollys for that year
plus over sign by 3
so as of right this min we have 13, then depends on who else leaves , if we get any 5th year guys, and how many scollys we just don't fill this year. I believe that will be 0 though
so in reality we have 13 for 2018
but as other have said I would also guess by the time its all said and done 16-20 would be my guess
yeah that's was my point, I might of worded it wrong, we are worried about having enough room for Kids this year and in 2018. does anyone ever remember us talking about needing to save room ? I don't and I have been a Illini fan since Chubby Phillips wore number 23 for the Illini that's a few year ago for you young guys LOL
When talking about oversigning, you still can't exceed the scholarship limit, so it's not just a "take an extra three" every year. That's why Crean's over-signing at IU is now a verb, because he does it without scholarships being available and it forces people out. Don't account for those 3 as possible signees in every class, that's just not how it works
What it does do is protect you against kids not making it into school. You take 28 and three don't make it, you're at your 25 limit without having to Crean anyone.
Oversigning by a guy or two makes sense under the existing NCAA regulations. I would all but guarantee that we oversign in 2018.
Sure, I just think it's a little iffy to just say we can/will oversign by 3 every year
umm well yes you can over sign by 3 each year, you just have to be down to the 85 by the start of school in the fall dureing the summer its kind of like saying you can have 88 people but have to drop 3 before school starts
we can , but I agree I do not believe we will. I think right now we need to up until Lovie and the Staff have had time get get a full team of guy they want. I do not think Lovie is the kind of guy who is going to tell anyone to get out we don't want you. But most kids are wanting to play not just get a free ride for 4 years.
FT35
- Naperville
The early enrollees make this a little more complicated. However, the key number to look at is the number of scholarship players we have on the roster without taking into account this recruiting class. That number is around 55. Thus, we have 30 available scholarships.
We have 20 commits right now which means we have 10 scholarships left in order to get to the limit of 85. Those 10 scholarships can be filled in a number of ways. They can be given to additional recruits, graduate transfers or they can be given to walk-ons.
As Second and Chalmers mentioned, the four early enrollees matter because they are counted against the Class of 2016. That means we can add a maximum of 9 players to this class, which I really don't think will happen. If we do have a class that size, that would get us to 84 scholarships with one scholarship left over. That could be given to a walk-on, a graduate transfer, or not used at all.
I'd rather see us take a class of 25 and have 5 left over to give to graduate transfers or walk-ons, but I can understand the staff wanting to get as many High School players into the program as quickly as possible. The potential size of the 2018 class is what complicates things.
In other news the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor Just kidding. Yes that's been discussed at length.He's taking his last OV to WVU this weekend. Hope he makes it out uncommitted, I suspect he will. I'd expect to see the staff take one more in-home visit as well in the coming days (if I had to wager a guess)
He just cut his top 4 today I think. Before it was a top 6. But yeah not surprising. Us or West Virginia
Seriously though, this is a 3 horse race between us, Utah, and WVU. Hope we can seal the deal on this one.
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