Donnovan Moorer@dmoney_drizzle34m34 minutes ago
Blessed to Receive an Offer From The University Of Illinois #HailToTheOrange
might as well get them early I guess
thats how you gotta do it
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thats how you gotta do it
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I found this guy with a similar name. Not the offered kid but an entertaining tape.
I found this guy with a similar name. Not the offered kid but an entertaining tape.
How would that have negative effects ? Are we going to get 28 high school kids ready to play by next fall ? I think that is highly unlikely.
You left out the key phrase: LONG TERM. Even if you don't bring in 28 kids who are immediately ready to play (nobody does), you're bringing in kids who will grow in your systems and will be ready to play, and play well, eventually. Some of that will be practice, but some will be in game learning experiences. The issue is that if you take a juco kid with a lower ceiling and less time to reach that ceiling, you're replacing a high school kid, who even if he has the same ceiling, has more time and is more likely to reach that ceiling. As we should have learned from Beckman, the Jihad Ward's are the exception and not the rule. Aside from K-State, nobody is trying to pull in loads of JC players as the base of their success.
Early enrollees can be rolled backward as well. Another way to accomplish the balance of scholarships.
We are unlikely to have 28 high school kids ready to play next fall. You are guaranteed that 28 juco kids won't be eligible to play anymore by 2019.
Huge numbers of Jucos are a bad idea, no one really does that anymore at the Power Five level, it's a carousel you can't get off once you get on it because your rosters turn over too fast. And those players are fools gold more than you realize.
The only time those sort of moves make sense is when a coaching staff fears it doesn't have the time to develop its own players. Eliminating that short-term instinct was one of the biggest positive effects of the Lovie hire.
And what's more, the ability to mold raw young talent into winning football players over time was the core organizing principle of this staff.
I would be really shocked and worried about the decision making if we went for more than a player here or there from the Juco ranks.
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RHITIllini
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This, and only this.. otherwise, NO
DrewD007
- Woodridge, IL
Abe Cajuste
Zane Petty
Dallas Hinkhouse
Martize Barr
Jihad Ward
Tyrin Stone-Davis
Geronimo Allison
Joe Fotu
Carrol Phillips
Raphael Barr
Sean Adesanya
Henry Enyenihi
Andrew Davis
Zach Heath
Connor Brennan
Ainslie Johnson
Ahmari Hayes
I think that's all the Jucos we signed under Beckman/Cubit. Some really good guys on that list like Ward, Phillips, and Allison, however also several guys who didn't contribute much at all.
Zane Petty
Dallas Hinkhouse
Martize Barr
Jihad Ward
Tyrin Stone-Davis
Geronimo Allison
Joe Fotu
Carrol Phillips
Raphael Barr
Sean Adesanya
Henry Enyenihi
Andrew Davis
Zach Heath
Connor Brennan
Ainslie Johnson
Ahmari Hayes
I think that's all the Jucos we signed under Beckman/Cubit. Some really good guys on that list like Ward, Phillips, and Allison, however also several guys who didn't contribute much at all.
This was discussed in another thread, probably a similar success rate that you'd get with HS recruits. The difference is having to turn them over every 2 years. Lovie said he wasn't going to go this route and I hope he stays with that plan.
And also, the more you rely on JUCOs, the less you're developing pipelines and building relationships, especially in state. We need high school coaches on our side and HS senior commits talking us up to their peers. What's the point of hiring Lovie Smith if you don't capitalize on his celebrity to generate buzz? That's another reason we should all calm down and accept the fact that this is a 3-4 year project. After a decade of neglect, we can't build the inroads we need overnight.
Can't say I know the college football landscape as well as basketball, so I'm a bit of a newbie here. Just a question-- will Lovie make it 3 years? I overheard some chit chat from a group of fans questioning if Lovie/the staff will have the patience for a slow-ish rebuild. A couple of them seemed pretty certain that if things aren't looking significantly up by year 3, he will take a bigger job. If this is complete nonsense or has any truth to it, please clarify lol
Rebuilds are kind of self-enforcing that way. If things aren't looking significantly up by year 3, he won't be able to get a bigger job.
Lets be clear here, to get a bigger college job, Lovie is going to have to show something here. Another NFL head coaching job is probably somewhat unlikely in any event, and would definitely have to involve big success here. Lovie can have an NFL DC job whenever he wants it, but that wouldn't pay as well as his current position.
Garrick McGee's head coaching prospects are held back by his UAB tenure, and we're paying him big boy money as an OC. Hardy Nickerson could be an NFL LB's coach, but again for less money.
The Big Three are in this for the long haul. Our fans ought to be there with them.
If you're out now, you were never in.
Well his buyout (on both sides) will make it virtually impossible for him to go anywhere until at least 3 years in.
If it's looking that bleak after 3 years still (I have faith that we'll turn the corner by 2019) - I doubt that Lovie then at age 61 and failing to rebuild a college program would have any big name suitors calling his name.
Lets worry about that later though...
Love that quote. I'll probably be borrowing it in the near future.
I'm sure Lovie knew what he was getting into and I'm sure he's planning on a 4 year rebuild. He's under no pressure to go heavy into the JC ranks so he will be selective on those prospects but this rebuild is going to more Kirk Ferentz type than Mike White type.
my feeling on this is he will try to get a few that do not count against this years scollies. guys who can be here for spring ball that can fill in a few holes. I am not sure who we have commited that can or will be here in the spring, but that would give some of our O/D line commits a leg up on getting into better shape to play right away
+1 Huge fan of your posts on how to live through this season and the next few to come. I told my wife before the UNC game that, while it was a blast, I really am not making judgements until 2019.
I just so desperately want to get back to the success of White and Mackovic. I was 12 when Mike White took over . So my teenage and young adult years were filled with Illini football success. I know it can happen. I lived it. I was there in 83 when we beat tOSU and there were 75,000 in the stadium and another 10,000 in Assembly Hall watching the game on closed circuit tv (because the game was not on tv)
The excitement can come back. I just hope that when we are sitting next November with a 2-10 or 3-9 record the fans ( and recruits) quit showing up or showing interest. Next year very well could be worse than this year . I hope everyone realizes that right here and now . It will get worse before it gets better .
The excitement can come back. I just hope that when we are sitting next November with a 2-10 or 3-9 record the fans ( and recruits) quit showing up or showing interest. Next year very well could be worse than this year . I hope everyone realizes that right here and now . It will get worse before it gets better .
Next year will be far worse, lol. Lovie's third year could realistically be a bit disappointing. I'm remaining optimistic, but we're really bad. Most of our squad wouldn't even cut it at Purdue...
I know three years sounds like a long time, but lets remember that we haven't done anything remarkable since 2007, and even then we finished in typical Illini fashion. You don't root for Illinois because you love winning, lol. Hopefully Lovie and crew changes that and we can have a football program to be proud of.
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The good news about the possibility that we're a disaster this year is the fact that next year then wouldn't be worse.
A frustrating 5-7 followed by a downturn would almost be worse than two years of building from the bottom.
I can see that . Need to keep in mind Bill McCartney had some horrible years and everyone wanted him fired before he was able to turn it around in 1988
Plus, next year Lovie will actually get to play some of his youth if he wants to. What sucks about this year is that Lovie didn't even get a chance to recruit one class worth of "his guys".
A lot of times during a rebuild or when a school gives a coach a guaranteed 5 years to build something, the coach will start to play his young guys at the expense of winning games so they have tons of experience by the time they are seniors. Love won't even have his own true freshman on the team until next year. This year is a truly an anomaly.
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