I look at QB as more of a risk..., Rivers, Williams, or Robinson could all potentially be good enough & if you look at Kittner's (78.4) & Juice Williams I (91.9 ) freshman QB numbers, Rivers (104.8) was above both of them as a freshman (now they both had more starts & experience to carry over); Also of note both Kurt & Nathan took us from bad records to good records from freshman to sophomore years, 3 wins to 8 wins for Kittner; 2 wins to 9 wins for Scheelhaase ...Not to say we will get that level of improvement from any of our QBs, but we shouldn't be writing it off that we can't get a good season out of one of our young QBs, add in . If we get an experienced QB great, if not I'm not ready to write off the position & the season as lost.The single biggest thing this team needs right now is an experienced quarterback who can execute the offense our OC is trying to install. This position has been our weak link for a few years and now that the other positions have strengthened, the problem is magnified.
Agree, but will be disappointed if Isaiah does not give that group a strong run for their moneyI look at QB as more of a risk..., Rivers, Williams, or Robinson could all potentially be good enough & if you look at Kittner's (78.4) & Juice Williams I (91.9 ) freshman QB numbers, Rivers (104.8) was above both of them as a freshman (now they both had more starts & experience to carry over); Also of note both Kurt & Nathan took us from bad records to good records from freshman to sophomore years, 3 wins to 8 wins for Kittner; 2 wins to 9 wins for Scheelhaase ...Not to say we will get that level of improvement from any of our QBs, but we shouldn't be writing it off that we can't get a good season out of one of our young QBs, add in . If we get an experienced QB great, if not I'm not ready to write off the position & the season as lost.
The east coast thing should be nowhere on the list. Especially if you’re looking to boost instate, Missouri, and Texas recruiting.Give me some feedback on this...
These are what I believe the steps we need to bring this program back to relevance and dominance..
#1 Lockdown the in state recruiting.. so many great players from this state leave for another..
#2 keep our presence in Mizzou very strong.
#3 keep our presence dominant in the state of texas... a ton of athleticism comes from the state of texas.
#4 we have got to find a way to recruit the kids from the upper east coast, Maryland, Rhode island, Massachusetts. Those three states are considered a pipeline for high grade talent.
#5 we absolutely have to win, kids want to succeed 99 percent of the time, they want to come in and WIN... almost every recruit worth anything is used to winning, they dont want to be part of a rebuild most of the time..
#6 we have to give lovie a little more time..
Williams is just another potential option...we have no proven quantities, but we have 3 potential options that give us a legitimate shot at reasonable QB play...throw in a good running game, hopefully Luke Ford, a couple additional receivers, & what should be an improved Defense to take a bit of pressure off the offense and a young QB...we should hold serve on offense even if we don't get an experienced transfer QB and we can stay away from injuries.Agree, but will be disappointed if Isaiah does not give that group a strong run for their money
I agree with you completely, I should have clarified what I meant... basically I was stating we need to do all of those things..I refuse to believe winning being #5 on this list isn't parody. Nice try, wiseguy.
Sadly I doubt it. I feel like we are entering the same time warp as last year after we got Beason and Williams. A lot of buzz for a couple weeks, then nothing until the season started. I feel this year will be the same.Is another commitment on the horizon?
Sadly I doubt it. I feel like we are entering the same time warp as last year after we got Beason and Williams. A lot of buzz for a couple weeks, then nothing until the season started. I feel this year will be the same.
The single biggest thing this team needs right now is an experienced quarterback who can execute the offense our OC is trying to install. This position has been our weak link for a few years and now that the other positions have strengthened, the problem is magnified.
I agree with every point but our presence on the east coast has to be felt.. but I believe all other points are very validThe east coast thing should be nowhere on the list. Especially if you’re looking to boost instate, Missouri, and Texas recruiting.
1. Win, starting this year. (If that doesn’t happen, the rest of the list adjusts to the new coaching staff’s philosophy.
2. Continue this recruiting momentum in Illinois and St. Louis.
3. Continue recruiting Texas and Florida well.
4. Win bigger next year.
Do we burn a scholly on him even though we arent certain he will win the starting job?Per fan sided the illini are considered favorites to land penn state transfer Tommy stevens... they put a list of 5 power 5 teams interested and illini are number 1... what do you guys think ??
We want stevens? Red shirt williams?
Or rivers and see if William's can take over the reigns right away?????
Hmmm this one is tough...
I’d be fine with that this year. It’s like the article said...it’s a make or break year for us, and the Quarterback spot is questionableDo we burn a scholly on him even though we arent certain he will win the starting job?
Fan sided wasn’t listing “favorites.” The article was listing potential landing spots for him. There has been no actual discussion of him considering Illinois or vice versa, at least from what I’ve seen. It’s all been fan speculation.Per fan sided the illini are considered favorites to land penn state transfer Tommy stevens... they put a list of 5 power 5 teams interested and illini are number 1... what do you guys think ??
We want stevens? Red shirt williams?
Or rivers and see if William's can take over the reigns right away?????
Hmmm this one is tough...
What I am saying is that the staff is interested but not sure he is that much better than our current QBsI’d be fine with that this year. It’s like the article said...it’s a make or break year for us, and the Quarterback spot is questionable
Do we burn a scholly on him even though we arent certain he will win the starting job?
a 3 star from texas can be better than a 4 star from il
Why halfway through the season? Wouldn't be surprised if he starts game 1 or 2...Rod LOVES him.Ultimately, I think we need to fill our roster. I believe Williams legitimately competes for the starting spot halfway through the season and I am not sure that a qb is what we most need right now. I would way rather see a few more additions at skill positions. But a QB that is new to a system will take some time and will limit our playbook. I'd rather see how Rivers or Robinson do. But, I would understand if we took a veteran QB.
Do we burn a scholly on him even though we arent certain he will win the starting job?
Not sure how many spots we have left, but seems like a few & a spot probably isn't a problem this late. Small class next year, so pushing another scholarship to next year with a 5th yr transfer works well. Staff should have a good idea if Tate will be in play, but assuming not at this point, I think you take Stevens if you can convince him to come and compete for a spot. We are arguing if we have 1 QB ready for next year, with potential injuries another QB with experience who was expected to start for PSU seems like a no brainer. Sounded like he wanted a guarantee to start at PSU, probably the same from Illinois...if we are willing to make a guarantee the starting job is his is a different question.I would think that guys already on the roster are the first option, following by Tate (if that happens), followed by anyone else. Don’t want to burn a scholly on your third preference when the preference might be to play someone else over him (as 0440 stated). Williams won’t redshirt either way.
If that’s the case, then I trust the staff’s ability to evaluate him and make a final decision. But, if there’s any chance we could improve I’d take himWhat I am saying is that the staff is interested but not sure he is that much better than our current QBs
Do we burn a scholly on him even though we arent certain he will win the starting job?
Sydney brown starting on the team, jartavius Martin staring on the team, mj rivers could start for the team and mike epstein would of been the best offensive player on the team if not for injuries. 4 star from Illinois jeff thomas a good receiver, that oline from maine south that goes to msu is pretty good. But after that not many guys are playing or are bust i take the 3 star. One more is bobby roundtree is maybe the best defense player on the team.I disagree with this statement. Illinois recruited some 3 stars from Florida and Texas. How well are they doing? Also compare them to the 4 stars that were fromIllinois.
Sydney brown starting on the team, jartavius Martin staring on the team, mj rivers could start for the team and mike epstein would of been the best offensive player on the team if not for injuries. 4 star from Illinois jeff thomas a good receiver, that oline from maine south that goes to msu is pretty good. But after that not many guys are playing or are bust i take the 3 star. One more is bobby roundtree is maybe the best defense player on the team.