Illinois Football Recruiting Thread

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#101      

Noblesville Illini

Nappanee, IN
Where did you see 11.06? The fastest time I saw on him was 11.75.

11.06 as a junior scales to sub 11, probably sub 10.9, and possibly sub 10.8 as a senior.

That is skill position speed.
Per his 247.......
Also plays basketball and runs track ... As a junior, averaged 14.1 points per game on the hardwood ... In spring of 2022 posted a wind-aided 10.96 (3.6) in the 100-meter dash. Also had an 11.06 (1.9) on record as an 11th grader.
 
#102      
If 100-meter speed was an important analytic then it would be used at the NFL combine but it isn't so maybe, we should not focus on those times. Explosive, fast twitch measurables along with brute strength are what determines possible success in football so let's stay away from the rest of the track and field events! :cool::)
 
#103      
If 100-meter speed was an important analytic then it would be used at the NFL combine but it isn't so maybe, we should not focus on those times. Explosive, fast twitch measurables along with brute strength are what determines possible success in football so let's stay away from the rest of the track and field events! :cool::)
Bob Hayes, who was never timed in the 40, might quarrel with this argument.
 
#105      
Per his 247.......
Also plays basketball and runs track ... As a junior, averaged 14.1 points per game on the hardwood ... In spring of 2022 posted a wind-aided 10.96 (3.6) in the 100-meter dash. Also had an 11.06 (1.9) on record as an 11th grader.
Thanks for that. Never saw that. That is solid speed.

Really would like to see him get into the 10.8s or lower next year if he runs track. Seems very doable.
 
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How I feel about all the track talk:




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#109      
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Meh. In football states track is an extension of football. Free speed and conditioning training to get better at football is generally how it’s viewed. Get your skill guys faster by sprinting and jumping, and get your lineman more explosive by throwing.

Many football coaches require their football players to run track, (the same way many basketball coaches make their players run cross country) and in Texas, many of the head track coaches are football coordinators (it’s a way to increase their pay by giving them a head coaching stipend, bump their resume so they have head coaching experience, and hold football players accountable to actually having to run).

To act like there is not a carryover between the 2 is objectively an uninformed opinion.
 
#110      

MoCoMdIllini

Montgomery County, Maryland
Meh. In football states track is an extension of football. Free speed and conditioning training to get better at football is generally how it’s viewed. Get your skill guys faster by sprinting and jumping, and get your lineman more explosive by throwing.

Many football coaches require their football players to run track, (the same way many basketball coaches make their players run cross country) and in Texas, many of the head track coaches are football coordinators (it’s a way to increase their pay by giving them a head coaching stipend, bump their resume so they have head coaching experience, and hold football players accountable to actually having to run).

To act like there is not a carryover between the 2 is objectively an uninformed opinion.
Growing up in Streamwood, our football team improved a great deal when they started bringing in some guys from the track side.
 
#112      
I don’t think anyone is against prep football players running track in spring - it’s a good thing - but using 100m speed times as some super important metric for football is too much

Agreed. The point is not that track conditioning (especially for sprinters) can’t help football players.

It’s that we shouldn’t use track numbers as heavily weighted factors in evaluating a recruit.
 
#113      
Meh. In football states track is an extension of football. Free speed and conditioning training to get better at football is generally how it’s viewed. Get your skill guys faster by sprinting and jumping, and get your lineman more explosive by throwing.

Many football coaches require their football players to run track, (the same way many basketball coaches make their players run cross country) and in Texas, many of the head track coaches are football coordinators (it’s a way to increase their pay by giving them a head coaching stipend, bump their resume so they have head coaching experience, and hold football players accountable to actually having to run).

To act like there is not a carryover between the 2 is objectively an uninformed opinion.
Wasn't questioning the validity of your insight. I just don't think we need 3 pages of debate about track (not directed at you). I simply felt like complaining and couldn't resist sharing a relevant Kenny Powers quote.
 
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Agreed. The point is not that track conditioning (especially for sprinters) can’t help football players.

It’s that we shouldn’t use track numbers as heavily weighted factors in evaluating a recruit.
I get that track numbers aren’t the end all be all for football recruits. It just gives a good baseline for perspective and raw athleticism. I hope we can all agree on that. Like if we grabbed a receiver who ran a 10.4, would anybody here not be jumping for joy?

IMO, track sprinter conditioning and football conditioning are kinda similar. Football is played in 5-10 seconds bursts depending on the play. 100m sprinters run in 10ish second bursts as well.
 
#117      
I get that track numbers aren’t the end all be all for football recruits. It just gives a good baseline for perspective and raw athleticism. I hope we can all agree on that. Like if we grabbed a receiver who ran a 10.4, would anybody here not be jumping for joy?

IMO, track sprinter conditioning and football conditioning are kinda similar. Football is played in 5-10 seconds bursts depending on the play. 100m sprinters run in 10ish second bursts as well.

We should all be overjoyed by his straight line speed but we all should also be curious as to what he can do in pads, if he can block, how are his hands, can he run crisp routes…etc.

We’ve had a lot of track stars join the team who didn’t pan out, especially in the Lovie years. He really liked recruiting track athletes that could be formed into football players.
 
#118      

MustangWally

Mayfield
We should all be overjoyed by his straight line speed but we all should also be curious as to what he can do in pads, if he can block, how are his hands, can he run crisp routes…etc.

We’ve had a lot of track stars join the team who didn’t pan out, especially in the Lovie years. He really liked recruiting track athletes that could be formed into football players.
I think one of his problems was that he didn't like to recruit at all. amirite?
 
#119      
I get that track numbers aren’t the end all be all for football recruits. It just gives a good baseline for perspective and raw athleticism. I hope we can all agree on that. Like if we grabbed a receiver who ran a 10.4, would anybody here not be jumping for joy?

IMO, track sprinter conditioning and football conditioning are kinda similar. Football is played in 5-10 seconds bursts depending on the play. 100m sprinters run in 10ish second bursts as well.
This is what is different discourse between great football powers and Illini fans taking up 4 pages of gibberish about track in a football thread. It's embarrassing to read these threads compared to the old days of discussing actual football recruits, and anything Illini football related to what's happening to this site. I was 8 years old when watching our beloved beat Washington in the 64 Rose Bowl. Been to several Bowls since as a 35 year season ticket holder. Man. Thank God you guys weren't around for the famous 0-0 tie with Northwestern., or the 77-7 game against Nebraska, or more recently the 63-0 game against Iowa. Been there, and done that. So, talk more football, and don't worry, I probably only have 10 more years to call you out. After that your home free.
 
#120      

MustangWally

Mayfield
This is what is different discourse between great football powers and Illini fans taking up 4 pages of gibberish about track in a football thread. It's embarrassing to read these threads compared to the old days of discussing actual football recruits, and anything Illini football related to what's happening to this site. I was 8 years old when watching our beloved beat Washington in the 64 Rose Bowl. Been to several Bowls since as a 35 year season ticket holder. Man. Thank God you guys weren't around for the famous 0-0 tie with Northwestern., or the 77-7 game against Nebraska, or more recently the 63-0 game against Iowa. Been there, and done that. So, talk more football, and don't worry, I probably only have 10 more years to call you out. After that your home free.
Speaking of the 64 Rose Bowl, here's the ideal property for an Illini football fan.

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#123      
Or didn't like to develop these "diamond in the rough" kids and run schemes that were confusing to opponents...
To be fair to Lovie, he came in and we knew what his scheme was going to be day 1. Cover 2 from a 4-3 look, with lots of forced INT and Fumbles because we valued valued going after the ball more than tackling. Offense could have been better but the expectations for the defense was there day 1. It just didn't work.
 
#124      

Illinivek23

Gurnee
To be fair to Lovie, he came in and we knew what his scheme was going to be day 1. Cover 2 from a 4-3 look, with lots of forced INT and Fumbles because we valued valued going after the ball more than tackling. Offense could have been better but the expectations for the defense was there day 1. It just didn't work.
I'll never understand the premise of treating opposing QBs like they are TB or AR and can read/react/beat any adjustments vs seeing them as 1 read QBs with limited experience that you can confuse. Seemed so obvious to us message-board DCs and exactly the tactic that BB/RW used last year to show great progress. Can't wait to see Season 2
 
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I'll never understand the premise of treating opposing QBs like they are TB or AR and can read/react/beat any adjustments vs seeing them as 1 read QBs with limited experience that you can confuse. Seemed so obvious to us message-board DCs and exactly the tactic that BB/RW used last year to show great progress. Can't wait to see Season 2
It's also hard to make adjustments when you're sleeping on the sofa, which Lovie was (part figuratively, part literally) for most of his tenure in C-U.
 
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