Illinois Football Recruiting Thread

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illinidarrin

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The only way we can keep our team at a consistent level of success is by getting good players through the transfer portal for right now. We are going to have to do that for a few years until we have sustain success. After that, then we can get real good players in High School recruiting. Illinois has to raise as much money as possible for NIL. The only way we can get better for the next few years is to get quality transfers.
 
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Epsilon

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Illinois has 16 NFL players according to this


scUM O$U PSU Wisky and Iowa have more

We can sell that aspect of our program plus playing time plus NIL plus national exposure

BB can win consistently here but we don’t have the depth yet. Last year losing players to the draft and portal hurt us more than other programs. I hope he makes a decision about coordinators either way soon after the season to get the players we need

We have a decent qb with decent WRs/TEs and RBs. Just need an O line

defense next year will need to replace the law firm and we need to get a LB corp. our secondary will be good with experience.
 
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illini80

Forgottonia
The only way we can keep our team at a consistent level of success is by getting good players through the transfer portal for right now. We are going to have to do that for a few years until we have sustain success. After that, then we can get real good players in High School recruiting. Illinois has to raise as much money as possible for NIL. The only way we can get better for the next few years is to get quality transfers.
We had a couple OL commits that we lost in the offseason. Those are hurting us big time now. I don’t remember the names, but I think center and tackle. Better NIL deals elsewhere iirc.
 
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JUCO lineman ... Portal for skill players ...
I’ve pondered why this is how BB wants to do it.

Any thoughts?

Is it because transfer linemen may not necessarily have played a lot (leading to their transfer) whereas Juco linemen are probably playing a bunch and simply ready to move to the P5 level? One is more of a known commodity than the other?

Which also makes me wonder if they’d recruit transfers that may be 3-4 year players/starters on a G5 team.
 
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I’ve pondered why this is how BB wants to do it.

Any thoughts?

Is it because transfer linemen may not necessarily have played a lot (leading to their transfer) whereas Juco linemen are probably playing a bunch and simply ready to move to the P5 level? One is more of a known commodity than the other?

Which also makes me wonder if they’d recruit transfers that may be 3-4 year players/starters on a G5 team.
Yes, having playing experience is a huge reason why you'd want to go JUCO for linemen. Makes it a bit easier for coaches to evaluate.
 
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JUCO lineman ... Portal for skill players ...
This statement from Mark Stoops in an article made me finally realize the utter futility of our attempts to compete in big time college sports:

With the Kentucky faithful up in arms, head football coach Mark Stoops was on The UK Healthcare Mark Stoops Show and stated that if Kentucky fans were upset about the loss, they needed to "pony up more" NIL money and insinuated that all 85 of Georgia's players were paid.


Two things are obvious. 1) While it has always been true, players (football and basketball) expect to benefit for there work whether it be through direct payments of one type or another or indirectly through facilities and the many other other enhancements that come from playing big time sports. Open and legal compensation, as enabled by NIL, has accelerated the subsequent burden on college programs and the their supporters. 2) Though some programs are finding ways to compete in this new environment, most will remain irrelevant, relegated to remaining cannon fodder for the relative few teams vying for the playoffs.

Another thing that has not been talked about is the greed involved here. "Greed" has always been mentioned within the context of universities crudely using players to line their own pockets. While this is true, another aspect of greed has become apparent. The better/best players are demanding the largest piece of the compensation pie leaving very little for their follow players. In a way, they have become the white collar CEOs (eg. quarterback) who demand high dollars for their work while expecting the blue collar (eg. linemen) to take whatever the market will bear. I find this somewhat hypocritical in an age when so many rail against individual and corporate greed.

My interest in college sports has begun to wane as I realize that the University of Illinois, the only program I truly love, has no real chance to compete. Just my two cents.
 
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illini80

Forgottonia
This statement from Mark Stoops in an article made me finally realize the utter futility of our attempts to compete in big time college sports:

With the Kentucky faithful up in arms, head football coach Mark Stoops was on The UK Healthcare Mark Stoops Show and stated that if Kentucky fans were upset about the loss, they needed to "pony up more" NIL money and insinuated that all 85 of Georgia's players were paid.


Two things are obvious. 1) While it has always been true, players (football and basketball) expect to benefit for there work whether it be through direct payments of one type or another or indirectly through facilities and the many other other enhancements that come from playing big time sports. Open and legal compensation, as enabled by NIL, has accelerated the subsequent burden on college programs and the their supporters. 2) Though some programs are finding ways to compete in this new environment, most will remain irrelevant, relegated to remaining cannon fodder for the relative few teams vying for the playoffs.

Another thing that has not been talked about is the greed involved here. "Greed" has always been mentioned within the context of universities crudely using players to line their own pockets. While this is true, another aspect of greed has become apparent. The better/best players are demanding the largest piece of the compensation pie leaving very little for their follow players. In a way, they have become the white collar CEOs (eg. quarterback) who demand high dollars for their work while expecting the blue collar (eg. linemen) to take whatever the market will bear. I find this somewhat hypocritical in an age when so many rail against individual and corporate greed.

My interest in college sports has begun to wane as I realize that the University of Illinois, the only program I truly love, has no real chance to compete. Just my two cents.
I’m with you. I have never felt like our fan base would support football at a level to put us in any real contention. The question will be whether we can be a mid level program or lower level. We are still in the on ramp phases and that’s why this seasons stubble hurts even more. I have questions on the basketball side too, but I’m much more optimistic there since, as we’ve seen, you only need a couple of star players to be really good.
 
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I’m with you. I have never felt like our fan base would support football at a level to put us in any real contention. The question will be whether we can be a mid level program or lower level. We are still in the on ramp phases and that’s why this seasons stubble hurts even more. I have questions on the basketball side too, but I’m much more optimistic there since, as we’ve seen, you only need a couple of star players to be really good.
No doubt a reason why the same teams are in contention every season

Turnover is going to happen every year. The QB spot can show and/or hide a bunch of weaknesses on a team. Last year we didn't score a ton of points but DeVito was solid at moving the chains and not turning the ball over. Big problem Illinois has is changing QBs almost every season. Between being in the Big Ten, NIL, free ride, etc, it baffles me how we haven't landed more efficient QBs over the years. I joked about it when NIL first came around but there would be a huge amount of money if they ever had the Illini QB NIL Fund.
 
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I have never felt like our fan base would support football at a level to put us in any real contention.
If support means coughing up money for big NIL checks, you might be correct.

Shoveling personal money into the NIL competition offers the possibility of 12 better football games, but only if we can outbid other programs, which seems as hopeless as buying Powerball tickets. Unlimited NIL will destroy collegiate sports, shifting from athletic competition to fundraising competition. Hard pass on personally feeding that beast.

Compare the odds of satisfaction from contributing to the endless player salary auction to the return in terms of fun, thrills, and satisfaction from investing in sports gear, travel, and adventures with good friends. Maybe a European cycling tour? Helicopter skiing? A Pacific diving vacation.
 
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I’ve pondered why this is how BB wants to do it.

Any thoughts?

Is it because transfer linemen may not necessarily have played a lot (leading to their transfer) whereas Juco linemen are probably playing a bunch and simply ready to move to the P5 level? One is more of a known commodity than the other?

Which also makes me wonder if they’d recruit transfers that may be 3-4 year players/starters on a G5 team.

JUCO guys have been in the college weight room and JUCO is a lot better for talent eval than HS ... Some of these HS programs just don't play anybody and everyone looks good ... So it can be very hard to evaluate ...

Portal OL also command top NIL $$$ ... $$$ we should be spending on skill players ...
 
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I’m with you. I have never felt like our fan base would support football at a level to put us in any real contention. The question will be whether we can be a mid level program or lower level. We are still in the on ramp phases and that’s why this seasons stubble hurts even more. I have questions on the basketball side too, but I’m much more optimistic there since, as we’ve seen, you only need a couple of star players to be really good.

We don't have SEC money and we don't pretend that we do ... But Altmyer, Newton, Randolph, Williams, Adams, and a few others ... Are all being compensated very fairly for their services ...

Elzy & Feagin were not and are not free ...

This is all about Name, Image and Likeness ... 95% of people do not even know more than 5-6 players on this team ... Makes it a lot harder to find deals for them ...
 
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JUCO guys have been in the college weight room and JUCO is a lot better for talent eval than HS ... Some of these HS programs just don't play anybody and everyone looks good ... So it can be very hard to evaluate ...

Portal OL also command top NIL $$$ ... $$$ we should be spending on skill players ...
But sometimes you have to pay in other to play at a high level,without serviceable OL‘s like we’re experiencing right now the skill players can’t shine,the QB is constantly running for his life and there are no running lanes for the backs.
 
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But sometimes you have to pay in other to play at a high level,without serviceable OL‘s like we’re experiencing right now the skill players can’t shine,the QB is constantly running for his life and there are no running lanes for the backs.

While I agree with you ... We don't have the $$ to pay for every position ... We have got to develop our OL guys ... We have got to develop our DB & LB guys ...

Our $$$ will be spent on QB, RB, WR, DE, and maybe one elite OL ... And that is really all the "big money" we've got ...

If you perform well though and are super marketable (Chase & Syd) ... We have great boosters who take care of that NIL piece beyond what our "salary cap" might allow us to spend on them ...
 
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We don't have SEC money and we don't pretend that we do ... But Altmyer, Newton, Randolph, Williams, Adams, and a few others ... Are all being compensated very fairly for their services ...

Elzy & Feagin were not and are not free ...

This is all about Name, Image and Likeness ... 95% of people do not even know more than 5-6 players on this team ... Makes it a lot harder to find deals for them ...
I guess this leads to the question of whether our overall NIL situation is not as good as we originally believed? It was mentioned for basketball we just don't have the NIL to compete for higher end prospects or high value transfers and it seems that for football we definitely struggle (for multiple reasons). Are we more mid-tier P5 then when it comes to NIL vs. Upper tier? Or even bottom tier when it comes to football? If so, it would explain a decent amount even in this new era of *cough* recruiting.

I guess the overall question would be in terms of total NIL available to us, about where would we rank in the current and expanded B10? Upper half? Middle? Bottom half? Bottom 25%?
 
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