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Pikeillinifan
I say this from the point of view that my dad taught at UI for 30+ years and ran a business-related department. Faculty constantly fought him over trivial and unimportant things/ideas/ideologies that hindered the department.

Most faculty have no real understanding of how the university is funded and that, despite being a non-profit, it is a business that needs $ to grow (and to even exist). Our state does not fund the university as well as it could, and that will not get better. Other state schools are struggling, and while UI is growing, things can change quickly.

We need donors and have to build and maintain relationships with all alums, especially those like Kahn, who can do so much for the university and community. The man is the true story of someone coming here and living the American dream with the help of the UI, yet the faculty are petty and short-sighted and deny an honor that he deserves more than most.

Having him help fund athletics would boost all aspects of the university, including recruiting students from around the world—and faculty, for that matter. It's just insane that he was denied an honorary degree again.
 
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the juiceman cometh
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For some reason I wasn’t able to access the details about the events but the decision to deny the honorary degree just happened this year, no? I mean wasn’t this all available for review when the denial decision was made?

Edit: I’ve also been involved with governmental agencies and some degree of criticism is virtually inescapable, although admittedly I know little about OSHA. Fines suggest something happened but these are all pretty small figures.
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Yes, but from the quote it appears the person was asked about the protests and was talking about those. And it doesn't look like there was anything in the OSHA findings that would refute the first hand accounts of the employees. It looks like employees said the company was making them handle chromium without the necessary safety precautions, and OSHA ended up fining them for pretty much that.
 
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fuddrules
the juiceman cometh said:
These are all reports generated AFTER the protests in question, which appear to have happened in 2012. The company was fined by OSHA the following month. So unless she had a time machine these 2014-2022 OSHA reports could not have been part of any investigation she could have done at the time of the protests. Neither could the report about the violations they were protesting in April 2022, because OSHA did not make its determination until May 2022.

So the only info available to her was first hand reports of employees.

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EDIT to add: Also, if you've ever read government agency reports on stuff like this, it's always in the most sanitized, neutral language possible. So reading a report and talking to people involved is always going to feel vastly different. I suspect if you're in the world of labor rights these kinds of things are going to feel particularly serious, as you're versed on all the worst examples of corporate greed causing real harm to employees. I think it's fair to be skeptical about the how serious this is, while also understanding that someone in that position can conclude in good faith that this is a big deal.
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Violations go from 2010 to 2022. Only 1, - 7/19/12 is related to Chromium. Then, not one violation of over exposure. They didn't do everything necessary to prevent over exposure or do prelim work to ensure over exposure didn't occur -those were the citations. I feel very confident OSHA did do exposure monitor as well do (or have access to) Chromium medical exposure tests. Nothing was cited, therefore it's clear, there was no over exposure. Nobody was over exposed to Chromium (VI).

The majority of the remaining citations revolve around lockout issues.

And every single inspection was generated from a complaint, nothing else. It's clear some employees don't (or didn't) like working there but continue to do so?

People were after Flex-N-Gate, for whatever reason. Take your pick as to why.
 
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the juiceman cometh
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Violations go from 2010 to 2022. Only 1, - 7/19/12 is related to Chromium. Then, not one violation of over exposure. They didn't do everything necessary to prevent over exposure or do prelim work to ensure over exposure didn't occur -those were the citations. I feel very confident OSHA did do exposure monitor as well do (or have access to) Chromium medical exposure tests. Nothing was cited, therefore it's clear, there was no over exposure. Nobody was over exposed to Chromium (VI).

The majority of the remaining citations revolve around lockout issues.

And every single inspection was generated from a complaint, nothing else. It's clear some employees don't (or didn't) like working there but continue to do so?

People were after Flex-N-Gate, for whatever reason. Take your pick as to why.
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For the most part stuff about an individual employee's exposure would come out more in a workman's comp filing than in an OSHA report. But there is indication in here that there is a strong likelihood employees were exposed to chromium VI.

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And then there are also documented cases of exposure to other not so great things too:
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Honestly, I really don't care that much. I dislike billionaires generally, and like Khan more than most, because he helps the college sports teams I root for. But let's not pretend he's some paragon of virtue and Flex-n-Gate is the rare corporation that puts people over profit.
 
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GForce
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The Fortado quote is a hilarious self-own, because by saying she heard some terrible things means she never actually researched it, otherwise she would have said "in her research and investigation of the safety violation case against Khan."

The Clancy and Miraftab quotes are also great, because yes, lets not give an honorary degree because you don't like the invites on the guest list to a business meeting/party or because the person donated to your school. Reasoning like that would get them an F in their own classes.
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An example of how some people can be really smart about one thing and really dumb about others.
 
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the juiceman cometh said:
For the most part stuff about an individual employee's exposure would come out more in a workman's comp filing than in an OSHA report. But there is indication in here that there is a strong likelihood employees were exposed to chromium VI.

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And then there are also documented cases of exposure to other not so great things too:
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Honestly, I really don't care that much. I dislike billionaires generally, and like Khan more than most, because he helps the college sports teams I root for. But let's not pretend he's some paragon of virtue and Flex-n-Gate is the rare corporation that puts people over profit.
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Is that the standard for an honorary degree?
 
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and 69 others
the juiceman cometh said:
For the most part stuff about an individual employee's exposure would come out more in a workman's comp filing than in an OSHA report. But there is indication in here that there is a strong likelihood employees were exposed to chromium VI.

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And then there are also documented cases of exposure to other not so great things too:
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Honestly, I really don't care that much. I dislike billionaires generally, and like Khan more than most, because he helps the college sports teams I root for. But let's not pretend he's some paragon of virtue and Flex-n-Gate is the rare corporation that puts people over profit.
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“I dislike billionaires generally” is perplexing to me. Have you met and spent time with a lot of billionaires?
 
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fuddrules
I promise to all, my last post on this topic.

OSHA absolutely would have fined Flexngate had they found, what I've been calling over exposure. More specifically, exposure over the OSHA Permissible Exposure Limit (PEL). They would have been cited for violating 29 CFR 1910.1026 (c). Like this company was cited, page 9, Citation 1 Item 2a.


No citation at Flexngate, therefore, no violation regarding over exposure and the Chromium standard, 1910.1026. If you've been around anyone welding or torching stainless steel, you've been exposed to Hex Chrome. We are all exposed to chemicals every day. It's over exposure that's the issue.

As for the rest, nothing you mentioned had anything to do with over exposure (e.g. violation of PEL's.) The first (j)(1)(i) is under the Housekeeping section. The second was (k)(3)(i) was, as I mentioned, preventive. Symptoms but they don't tell us the urine test results. Why? Had they been positive, you would have seen another citation. That's a fact. The last, (q)(2)(vi), was simply evacuation routes weren't posted. You know, the signs zero people look at. Hey Bob, do you know how to get out of our workplace? 🥴

People don't like Khan. I know two upper mgt. that used to work for him and knew him personally. They quit because they couldn't stand him. Seems like many at the University don't like him. So what, it's not a popularity contest. His accomplishments should be recognized.
 
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Chilliniwek
illini0440 said:
It's not all about money to all kids. We got kids to stay here for significantly less money than they would have got elsewhere.
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Yes, this is correct. There was an article in The Athletic sometime in 2024 stating this along with interviews with recruits who confirmed it.
 
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WeWillWhen
GatorMcKlusky said:
This week's vote by the University of Illinois faculty Senate to deny an honorary degree to local businessman and philanthropist Shahid Khan Jim Dey | UI leaders blast faculty decision to block honorary degree
By JIM DEY jdey@news-gazette.com 1 hr ago
Trustees have directed UI President Tim Killeen to “conduct a thorough review of such policies” and report back “with recommendations” by March 30. https://www.news-gazette.com/opinio...cle_4352a978-b8b2-11ef-91ec-e7c94b73b1d1.html
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Incredibly short-sighted and stupid move by the faculty Senate. The Trustees need to put their feet down and show the faculty who the bosses really are.
 
#347      
the juiceman cometh
and 69 others said:
“I dislike billionaires generally” is perplexing to me. Have you met and spent time with a lot of billionaires?
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I don't have to have met billionaires to see the ways in which the mega-wealthy protect their wealth in ways that are detrimental to society as a whole. Of course it's a generalization and of course there are exceptions.
 
#348      
Mr. Tibbs
in other words , you are okay with people who make money , as long as it’s not a lot of money , or if they make a lot of money , they need to give a lot back to causes or institutions you agree with .
 
#349      
lstewart53x3
the juiceman cometh said:
I don't have to have met billionaires to see the ways in which the mega-wealthy protect their wealth in ways that are detrimental to society as a whole. Of course it's a generalization and of course there are exceptions.
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Some poor people do good things. Others do bad things. Some billionaires do good things. Others do bad things.

And if that’s not grey enough:

Sometimes people of all wealth classes do good things some of the time and then other times, those same people do bad things.

And! Sometimes people do bad things for good reasons. Other times they do good things for bad reasons.

People are people.
 
#350      
Oracle21
They should simply not allow the faculty senate the authority to award honorary degrees. Honorary Degrees are all political and should be left up to the Chancellor, President, and AD. 3 votes. That’s it.

Nobody who understands how much Khan has financed the U of I would ever deny him anything. His donation dollars are far more important to the school than anything else. You do what you can to keep these guys happy and donating.

If you want Khan to end up like Larry Ellison funding another college team, this is unfortunately a way to do that
 
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