Illinois Football Recruiting Thread

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Chukwuwumba
Hoping all these other schools blow their wads early and staff able to get good values.

I do think more money went towards hs/juco as others have said. With good reason as it’s best class in many years.
 
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ptgrd23
Owwww! Don't remind me of the agony of being an Illini football fan.

Indiana going 13-0 in football is killing me. They must stolen their starters from the Indianapolis Colts. That explains why the Colts are so bad this season.
 
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bigcityillini
Chukwuwumba said:
Hoping all these other schools blow their wads early and staff able to get good values.

I do think more money went towards hs/juco as others have said. With good reason as it’s best class in many years.
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Based on what? I’ve been getting told for a week that rankings don’t matter /s
 
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bigcityillini
For the millionth time. Produce me one data point that shows that. Please try to explain to me how HS rankings matter, but college ones don’t. You can’t and you know that 🤣🤣

So your actual argument is that it is easier to rank 17 year olds who play varying levels of competition across the country versus 5,000 players who all played college ball last season? So you think it’s easier to rank 100,000+ plus players in HS versus 5k in college?

I am sorry but that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever read. Am I taking crazy pills or something lol
 
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Noblesville Illini
Illiniguy13 said:
Coach needs to consult Loyalty and get up to speed asap
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the juiceman cometh
bigcityillini said:
Based on what? I’ve been getting told for a week that rankings don’t matter /s
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What people have pointed out is that transfer ratings are put out hastily and so don't have as robust a process as prep rankings (Which are also sometimes flawed! Just less so). Thousands of players entering the portal and committing in a short period, how are they going to honestly and accurately evaluate them all? They can't, and they don't, is the answer, which is why some of them are just, on their face, absurd.

You've kind of just sidestepped that and the critique that you cherry-pick data to fit your argument, and are now resorting to misreprenting what the critiques have been. It's annoying and bad faith, and for the most part people aren't buying it. But don't let that stop you.
 
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ptgrd23
I think everybody knows the top QBs moving schools and they are easy to rank. A proven running back like Josh McCray who led Illini in rushing prior season for 609 yards and 10 TD's is easy to rank.

Somebody like Malik Elzy who caught 16 passes over 2.5 seasons for an average of 6 catches and 85 yards per season is impossible to rate so they just went off his HS 4 star rating and fact he was coming from P4 program.
 
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bigcityillini
the juiceman cometh said:
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What people have pointed out is that transfer ratings are put out hastily and so don't have as robust a process as prep rankings (Which are also sometimes flawed! Just less so). Thousands of players entering the portal and committing in a short period, how are they going to honestly and accurately evaluate them all? They can't, and they don't, is the answer, which is why some of them are just, on their face, absurd.

You've kind of just sidestepped that and the critique that you cherry-pick data to fit your argument, and are now resorting to misreprenting what the critiques have been. It's annoying and bad faith, and for the most part people aren't buying it. But don't let that stop you.
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I can’t even begin to understand the delusion of thinking it’s easier to rank HS players across varying levels of skill versus college athletes lol.

I have provided data point after data point. Also there is quite a few websites that have shown the correlation between high level transfers and immediate success. Feel free to use google to better educate yourself because right now you are a fool. And couldn’t actually be more factually incorrect if you tried.

Also any comment on your clear shift since October on this whole topic?

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the juiceman cometh
bigcityillini said:
I can’t even begin to understand the delusion of thinking it’s easier to rank HS players across varying levels of skill versus college athletes lol.
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It is easier when you're talking about an evaluation period of 2 years vs what, 2 days? 2 hours? 2 minutes?

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I have provided data point after data point. Also there is quite a few websites that have shown the correlation between high level transfers and immediate success. Feel free to use google to better educate yourself because right now you are a fool. And couldn’t actually be more factually incorrect if you tried.
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I must have missed that. Why don't you just link the single most persuasive data you've provided.

Also, again you're mischaracterizing the discussion. You've essentially said 2 things: 1) good teams rely on P4 transfers, not G5 and 2) the transfer portal rankings are a reliable indicator of success. The argument against you has been on those 2 points.

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Also any comment on your clear shift since October on this whole topic?

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Can you explain what is inconsistent?

Yeah, retention is probably more economical, generally. The post is premised on an implicit assumption that you have to want the players you're retaining. Then there is the express qualification that individual cases will vary.

I still think all of that is true. I am sure there were some players who are leaving where we think we can find better. And there are others we wanted to bring back, but not at the price others are willing to pay.
 
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Simeon Rice
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For the millionth time, TRANSFER RANKINGS don’t matter. There’s just way too many examples of guys not being ranked according to their production at their previous school (s).
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I think there's actually a really good argument to be made that portal rankings are much more accurate (especially for the top 200-300 players) than prep recruiting. Most of the portal recruits in that top group have already proven production at the P4 level. There is no projection needed. When you get a prep guy, it's largely based on camp measurements and production against far less athletic talent. When you get a top P4 transfer, you get a known entity
 
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jamarvelous31
As great as it is that we're all arguing against a dude whose Loyalty tenure is <month, the mute button remains undefeated.
 
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Illinois_2_AZ
aaeismacgychel said:
Ex 4 star no doubt starting DLs are in extremely short supply and the market for any that come available will be very strong. Not sure if we can get one of those without winning a very big bidding war. Serviceable DTs who aren't in the national spotlight or taking a flier on a young DT with potential seems more likely.
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I agree with you that they are in short supply. It would be nice to get one of the Oregon D-line transfers. I would like to see us spend a little extra $$$ to substantially upgrade the pass rush. Similar to what Texas Tech did. Granted it was more than a little money, but it completely jump started their team as they made the playoffs.
 
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