Well you can say their isn't much to support it but IF he wanted to be here so Badly why did he put off signing, IF he wanted to be here so bad why say he is still committed then poof ask out of his letter. It was reported all along his Mom wanted him here, and it was his mom saying if we kept Walker he would be here was not him saying it. He himself said Walker was the reason he picked the Illini, well walker is still here so guess that wasn't so much the case now was it. You are thinking you can make others look bad cause they do not agree with you its ok im think skinned and, I Know as much about the Illini as most, I just do not have to put out things I know to try to make others think I am an Insider. Its funny how many here try to act like they have this inside track on things, and how many try to run others down.
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (April 2017)
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Well you can say their isn't much to support it but IF he wanted to be here so Badly why did he put off signing, IF he wanted to be here so bad why say he is still committed then poof ask out of his letter. It was reported all along his Mom wanted him here, and it was his mom saying if we kept Walker he would be here was not him saying it. He himself said Walker was the reason he picked the Illini, well walker is still here so guess that wasn't so much the case now was it. You are thinking you can make others look bad cause they do not agree with you its ok im think skinned and, I Know as much about the Illini as most, I just do not have to put out things I know to try to make others think I am an Insider. Its funny how many here try to act like they have this inside track on things, and how many try to run others down.
I would take Hardy due to the fact he doesn't have to sit unless he is RS, he is bigger and stronger but I wouldn't take either if We landed Smith
I semi agree with you, I think he was trying more to play real basketball, but so was Jsmith and ABU and I think both of them were better players. its to bad those 3 weren't all on the court at the same time
These "contests" are like the NBA all star game. I can't imagine a coach would glean much from them.
Jsmith was impressive. He's gonna be a thorn in our sides at IU for at least a couple of years.
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Recruits commit to schools and coaches, they do not just commit to schools, as much as people try to make it seem so. Tilmon committed to Groce/Illinois. When the coaching change happened, he re-opened his commitment. Not sure what "IF he wanted to be here so badly means," the coaching change did happen. If you mean that he committed to Illinois regardless the coach, that is obviously not the case (which is my point), neither is the case with pretty much any recruit.
Even the recruits who remain committed (e.g., Frazier, Damonte, and many others in many schools), in the vast majority of cases, it does not mean that they just committed to schools, just that even after a coaching change, they still feel comfortable with the new staff to stay committed. Tilmon obviously did not, at least to the point of not re-opening his commitment.
Joseph Kerr
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LOI is to commit to the school as they stand at that time as a whole. When you change coaches, it changes the dynamic. It's not hard to understand. As for Tilmon, I think he committed, had doubts and the coaching change was his way of getting a fresh start, especially because you know people got in his ear about this and that. Can't blame the kid, I've left jobs because of bosses.
Maybe part of the point is to protect recruits and families from harassment, ie. "I've been thinking about you a lot lately. A whole lot."
Come on now. It´s much more than a ¨maybe¨or a fallback. In normal circumstancers it´s binding. However, when there´s a coaching change, it´s reasonable for a player to ask out of it.
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I am amazed, and fairly impressed, by the lack of information leaking out of our basketball program so far in the Underwood era. The Groce era was literally a propaganda machine in this regard, despite the information being put there being rarely correct.
Now the amount of amount of angst and butt-clenching it is causing on here... different story.
Now the amount of amount of angst and butt-clenching it is causing on here... different story.
That´s a ridiculous statement. Do you understand that the LOI is binding unless the school agrees to let the player out of it_ And do you understand kids only ask to be let out of the LOI if a head coach leaves_
The LOI serves a very worthwhile function.
An athlete can ask for a release at any time. However, it is generally only done when there is a coaching change. The school can deny, grant or take the recruiting ban off the LOI.
IMO, we should be encouraging these athletes' ability to ask out at any time should they feel it necessary for ANY reason. This is a decision that NEEDS to be right, for the school and player. Anything less is a waste of time and resources for both.
Well technically the player could ask whenever he wants, but in practice the only reasons players ask )and receive) a release is when there is a coaching change.
sacraig
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If you want to play with the big boys, you have to recruit with the big boys. Period. You can't rely on building a program solely out of diamonds in the rough. You can certainly grab those kind of players off and on and try to train them into the next Frank Kaminsky, but that's not a reliable way to build a program. You are going to strike out a lot more often than you strike gold.
Want a sustainable power program? We need to increase our talent and athleticism and coach them up effectively.
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Groce insiders don't have a relationship with our new coaching staff, and because the staff has been on the road recruiting no one has had a chance to develop "insider" status.
The angst is evidence that nature abhors a vacuum.
If the staff is this close-mouthed next year I will really be impressed.
Actually the lack of leaks goes a lot deeper. Have you ever seen an athletic director that has better control of this than Whitman. It is black hole, nothing escapes and if Ryan Baker does have credible sources saying something and two hours later it happens, rest assured the credible source was Whitman.
Come to think of it, Lovie has no leaks.
This athletic departments adheres to Mayor Daley's remark "that a fish wouldn't get caught if it kept it's mouth shut"
Come to think of it, Lovie has no leaks.
This athletic departments adheres to Mayor Daley's remark "that a fish wouldn't get caught if it kept it's mouth shut"
Serious Late
- Peoria via Denver via Ann Arbor via Albuquerque vi
Groce's camp wanted, and got, information out there from day one. If Underwood's camp was the same, we would already be hearing about the multitude of recruits dying to sign on.
sacraig
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I agree. What surprises me is that we've had people claiming the staff has been hitting the recruiting trail hard and yet we haven't even heard third-party reports from the various recruiting reporters of seeing them at games watching certain recruits. It is all very hush hush.
Apparently carrying on with the Whitman tradition.
The Sky is Bright OrangeIn the Marines we had a saying- Last to know first to go.
LOL that will NEVER get old.
sacraig
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So... are you suggesting we are all about to be herded onto Higgins boats?
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