t7nich
- Central IL
Oh boy, not this again. Tejon is 6-1. Scout.com has it right. I guess it's possible he could be closer to 6-2 when he gets to campus
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (April-June 2016)
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Oh boy, not this again. Tejon is 6-1. Scout.com has it right. I guess it's possible he could be closer to 6-2 when he gets to campus
t7nich
- Central IL
Oh, that's what Tilmon has been waiting for? Riiiiight.
sacraig
- The desert
I am not saying that it's what he has been waiting for, but if Tilmon's concern really is Groce's job security, it is certainly plausible that any additional recruits that might help his job security can help tip the scales in our favor with Tilmon (especially those recruits that start next year and might help with a tourney run before Tilmon even hypothetically gets here).
Of course, it certainly could just be a lot of hooey.
Great...so now we need Moore to get Tilmon to get maybe get Goodwin?
Joel Goodson
- how was I to know, she was with the Russians too?
Very dumb tweet.
Alex Roux has always played off the emotions of this board, if I'm not mistaken he was the one who made the JFG shirts just before cliffmas.
Oh boy, not this again. Tejon is 6-1. Scout.com has it right. I guess it's possible he could be closer to 6-2 when he gets to campus
Unless he gets a haircut.
BlindLoyalty
- FartNoiseMotivation
Silly rabbit, tilmon already committed to Illinois. Back to your regularly scheduled jawboning.
sacraig
- The desert
Oh, I don't know... maybe because he has (completely justified) concerns about Groce's job security?
I'm not saying JCL is a NBA prospect yet, but neither is Briscoe. He's not very athletic and can't shoot. Why would you think Briscoe would go much higher? JCL brings you shooting, not sure what Briscoe brings an NBA team.
Te'Jon Lucas and Charlie Moore, theoretically, make for a better chance to make the tournament which makes for a better chance of Groce keeping his job. If job security is the thing holding Tilmon back then it does make some sense. But it does seem like a stretch to consider it a deciding factor.
I'm sick of hearing about Tilmon being concerned about Groce's job security. If Tilmon commits, it saves Groce's job regardless of next year. He has to know this. The whole being worried about Groce's job is the card he can play(to lessen blow to ILL fans and Groce) if he decides to go elsewhere.
The Pontiff
- Chicago, IL
If Charlie Moore is now an option, then it probably means that Nunn is probably not. (Just making the assumption his case is more problematic than Tate's, with no evidence to base that on.) In my opinion, a Moore for Nunn swap does not make Illinois better next season. However, I think a Moore for Tate swap would.
He could help that job security a great deal by committing. That's some of the irony here. =P
Joel Goodson
- how was I to know, she was with the Russians too?
Yeah, but it isn't a swap. Need to look at it as whoever's gone, is gone (if undecided and/or unannounced). Sunk cost. Moore will be a VG add, especially at this late date.
Good point. But if you assume Nunn is gone regardless, then somebody is better than nobody, and Moore is a pretty good somebody. I guess it all depends on what Tilmon and other recruits have been told about the situation. Doubtless the staff has at least been asked about it.
Joel Goodson essentially beat me too it.
Yeah, and if it is true that JG has helped instruct the family and JT, and led them to La Lu, then JT can return the favor and help JG.
We make everything easy around here. :thumb:
Briscoe vs JCL is an interesting comparison. They were RSCI #11 and #37 a year ago, so the idea was that Briscoe was the better prospect and probably the guy with the more likely NBA future.
Briscoe's big advantage is that he definitely has an NBA position. He can play the point on offense and guard it at the other end. Good size, good body, good strength, you have no worries that he can hold up at the 1 in the NBA. JCL on the other hand is a tweener combo guard who hasn't filled out his frame at all. He's still young but at his current level of strength it's tough to see any role for him on an NBA floor. Who is he gonna defend? Because against college players last year, the answer was "nobody". And beyond just the body concerns, we haven't seen much in the way of distribution from him. I think at best he's an E'Twaun Moore type where he's a very undersized two who you can maybe get away with giving some spot minutes at the one, though Moore has had to develop that over his pro career.
What JCL has is a clear NBA skill, which is that he's a knockdown shooter in multiple situations. Off the dribble, off of screens, off of curls, catch-and-shoot, he can really stroke it. And while he's not elite at putting the ball on the floor, he's good enough and athletic enough to make people respect him. He's not Jon Diebler.
Briscoe isn't an explosive athlete, but he's a decent one with a high motor and he uses that strong body well. He's a pugnacious player, which I always like, seems like most of the guys who aren't freakazoid pogo sticks who make it in the NBA play with that kind of attitude. His problem is that he can't shoot at all. The jump shot form is a mess, it's going to be a total rebuild for that part of his game. And while sometimes a broken jumpshot on an otherwise great player just stays broken (ask Michael Kidd-Gilchrist), NBA teams tend to have a lot of confidence that they can fix a shooter and are eager to take a flyer on someone if that's their only major problem.
I like both guys. They both have a feel for playing basketball and they both carry themselves like playmakers and winners. They're both assertive which can be half the battle for guys with fringey skillsets. But since Briscoe's issue is one that NBA teams tend to overlook, whereas with JCL it's more of a question of what you do with him in the first place, I would definitely say that Briscoe is the better NBA prospect at this point in time, and that the high school evaluators got that one right.
The Pontiff
- Chicago, IL
Unless I counted the scholarships incorrectly, it has to be a swap of someone. If Thorne is gone, then it makes more sense to sign a 5th yr big than Moore for next season. If it's a 1 or 2 (AJ, JCL, Nunn, DJW, or Tate) that ends up gone, then I would argue that only Moore for Tate would be a clear cut plus to next season's team.
Would love for that to happen, but E'Twaun Moore had a much more developed game on offense than JCL at the same stage.
Agree totally with your JCL v Briscoe comp.
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I agree with this point wholeheartedly. A lot of people on message boards tend to totally dismiss the defensive assessment that nba scouts utilize. I am not by any means a Briscoe fan and I think he was primarily a bully bucket-getter in high school, but he was one of the best on-ball defenders in college. That guy has pretty good anticipation skills despite being an explosive athlete. With that being said, I believe that alone makes him a better prospect because if your're under 6'4" and not an elite defender, you better be a phenomenal facilitator (Ulis) or just one of the best pure scorers regardless of height (Kyrie Irving/Steph Curry).
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