Man the Mizzou fans I know sure don't like the Martin hire. Surprising, since I think he is easily the best they were likely to get
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (January-March 2017)
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Porter wouldn't have to sit out - he's a 2017 recruit. Otherwise, you're right: it's far fetched. Conceivable, though.
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Amazing how fast the dominos are starting to fall. Even if Cuonzo can't coach, he is going to be a massive recruiting thorn in our side. And we thought Travis Ford and SLU were a problem....
My bad on Porter, Jr. I thought he was already at Washington with Porter, Sr.
They can. They will be shamed into not doing so in this situation.
We fired the coach Tilmon committed to. It would be unconscionable.
If Cuonzo somehow pulls Tilmon and Mark Smith, I'll bet 1,000 sand dollars they make the tournament next year. Then if Charlie Moore transfers and comes off his sit out year in 2018, a lineup with Moore, Smith, Tilmon, and Jontay Porter will just be silly. I guess if it happens we'll find out for good and all whether Cuonzo is actually a bad coach. Even John Groce could make the Elite 8 with that team.
We will have Tejon, JCL, Black, Tilmon and possibly Mark Smith in 2018's lineup. This team will make the tourney and maybe a deep run even with Groce. So why fire him?
We fire Groce because he is a bad coach in player development and in the game. We want a good coach instead. I do not want another bad coach just for a perceived strong 2018 lineup. There is much more to that for our basketball program.
Mark smith wanted to play for Groce
Was this posted already?
https://twitter.com/illinihq/status/842129392801308673
Was this posted already?
https://twitter.com/illinihq/status/842129392801308673
Today in deceptive headlines.
Not in basketball, and not for kids that have never played, and not when you've fired their coach.
We would get crucified, and we would give in.
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But why would you when you know the only reason he signed was because of Walker and Groce? Spite?
For blocking them from one specific school? No we wouldn't be.
You have every right to put a stipulation on it especially if you think that the commit was tampered with while still signed for another team.
You would be crucified if you didn't release them anywhere. Stipulations are the norm not the exception.
You are thinking of football players transferring away because they aren't getting enough playing time. That is the same situation as far as NCAA rules are concerned, but a profoundly different situation in terms of what the norms are.
No I'm actually not. When you are let out of a LOI (which again a school is not obligated to do see what NU tried pulling a few years ago) you can place restrictions on conference, location, etc. Schools regularly place restrictions on transfers sometimes they just aren't all encompassing and rarely do you have a situation like this where you are talking such a high profile. There's a reason Porter didn't actually sign his LOI with Washington and hence he's about to follow his father to Missouri.
With all this being said I think it's interesting some people don't think Whitman has envisioned every one of these scenarios taking place. While I wouldn't have expected Whitman to make an announcement that he's going to retain one specific coach (hence big manning the not yet named coach) I think it's pretty obvious Walker is going to stay here and, at worst, get a pay raise out of other schools interest.
John Groce sees Walker's value. He sees this class's value. Just like when it looked like John Groce was a sinking ship before the late run and Smith visited and Whitman/Walker spent the majority of the time with him.. Whitman already played out the best way to retain this class without pissing off a potential head coach and adding Smith. I don't think he's telling a potential h.c. replacement he has to keep Walker but i think it's being recommended extremely cordially.
Find me one example of an analogous situation and I'll shut up. A basketball recruit being restricted from a chosen local destination after the coach he signed for was fired by the school. Especially outside the conference.
As much as I'd hate to lose him you don't tell Tilmon where he can and can't go to school if he wants out of his LOI.
As far as I'm concerned even if the kid has played and wants to transfer just because he doesn't like the uniforms you don't tell him where he can go to school.
I'm not playing God with a kid's future just because we play them one time the following season.
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As far as I'm concerned even if the kid has played and wants to transfer just because he doesn't like the uniforms you don't tell him where he can go to school.
I'm not playing God with a kid's future just because we play them one time the following season.
IMHO
Bo Ryan restricted Jared Ulthoff from transferring in conference (which you previously said didn't happen). I'm not a basketball database but that was pretty high profile and clearly demonstrates basketball coaches can and will block a transfer if they decide to.
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If he wants to go play for John Groce fine. Heck if he wants to go play for Missouri fine. But if you suspect that Jamal Walker is being recruited right now by C. Martin and Walker is actively trying to persuade Tilmon to come to Missouri after the season is over you have a right to attempt to block that.
That's the same kind of shady crap Tracy Webster did with Darius Miller. Sorry I don't think his hopes and dreams will be crushed if he doesn't get to go play for one specific school that he didn't have any intention of going and playing at before the above hypothetical occurred.
The coach wasn't fired, he was already on the roster, and the restrictions were lifted after public outcry.
Next.
So? You're just adding stipulations that do not matter when it comes to a LOI.
First it was "oh that doesn't happen in basketball ever you're thinking of football" and now you've moved the goalposts to a very specific situation where half the circumstances really aren't relevant because a clear recent example in Uthoff takes 2 seconds and google to find.
Basketball transfers can be blocked. Porter Jr. didn't sign a LOI for a reason. Tilmon almost didn't sign a LOI for a reason. If signing a LOI was so irrelevant why is it high profile kids sometimes don't do it? Because they don't want to hinder their possible choices.
You can spend the next couple hours digging up the information if you want. I'm dealing with facts here not trying to play the "name one time" game like a child.
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