Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (July 2018)

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mattcoldagelli

The Transfer Portal
2019 big man Kofi Cockburn @kxng_alpha is planning visits to Illinois, Pitt and Kansas in August.
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1014946387463757827

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He reminds me of Patrick Ewing in terms of physical presence. Not comparing skill level from a brief recording but he looks dominate inside.
 
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He reminds me of Patrick Ewing in terms of physical presence. Not comparing skill level from a brief recording but he looks dominate inside.

Patrick Ewing always reminded me of Rick Brunson.
 
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JJB

Chicago, IL
Fifteen years ago, Kofi Cockburn would be slated to be a top five or top six pick in the NBA Draft. A mammoth of a big man who measured in last summer at 6-foot-10 with a 7-foot-3 wingspan, they just don’t make them the size of this five-star center anymore. A true low-post asset who can score over his left shoulder, Cockburn has developed a Dirk Nowitzki-like mid-range jumper and is a willing passer out of the double team, and his numbers on the Nike circuit this spring reflect just how dominant of an offensive threat he is.

Unfortunately, players in his mold are a dying breed, which makes deciding on his ranking that much more difficult. Seeing that the low block post-up is the worst shot that can be taken (through the lenses of advance stat gurus), and because questions remain as to how Cockburn can guard the heavily used high-ball screen, polarizing would be an understatement when it comes to evaluating his various outcomes. He might have found greater success in 2003, but Cockburn still is a valuable interior weapon that will shine in college.

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Is he kind of a plodder? In those highlights he looks like kinda of a plodder
When compared side-by-side with the other targets HCBU has gone after recently, yes. I think he's a normal high school big still getting used to his size.

Reminds me of Marcus Griffin a little.
 
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Seeing that the low block post-up is the worst shot that can be taken (through the lenses of advance stat gurus)

Completely false. Low block post ups are relatively inefficient shots in the modern NBA. They are not the worst shots by any means though, and are more efficient both in an absolute and a relative sense in college, especially when done by guys with a talent advantage.

His skillset with affect his NBA stock, but that ain't our problem. It's our benefit, really.
 
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Completely false. Low block post ups are relatively inefficient shots in the modern NBA. They are not the worst shots by any means though, and are more efficient both in an absolute and a relative sense in college, especially when done by guys with a talent advantage.

His skillset with affect his NBA stock, but that ain't our problem. It's our benefit, really.

Dan D’antoni referred to it as the worst shot in the game when i saw him in a clinic.

I think it’s in the lens of the worst shot that’s viewed as a good shot. Id bet (no numbers researched to back the following hypotheses) that it is converted at about the same frequency as an open midrange, so probably makes it tied for the second worst shot after a contested midrange.
 
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Dan D’antoni referred to it as the worst shot in the game when i saw him in a clinic.

I think it’s in the lens of the worst shot that’s viewed as a good shot. Id bet (no numbers researched to back the following hypotheses) that it is converted at about the same frequency as an open midrange, so probably makes it tied for the second worst shot after a contested midrange.

Much like not all jump shots are alike, not all post ups are alike.

Kofi Cockburn in good position against a much smaller defender is a very good look.

But in the NBA, almost all defenders have great length, great post position is tougher to come by, and the floor is more open presenting a greater opportunity cost to stopping the ball in the post.
 
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skyIdub

Winged Warrior
They don't.

Off the dribble pull-up long twos are the worst shot in basketball.

"(through the lenses of advance stat gurus)"

Then I'm confused.
So advanced stat gurus are not so advanced? Clearly there are some stats that support their stance?

Or is this just your opinion?
 
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... and into huge failure.

He's certainly a dirtbag who left the game as a disgrace. However, he recognized the long 2 pt jumper was useless and essentially revolutionized hoops into what we see today.
 
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They don't.

Off the dribble pull-up long twos are the worst shot in basketball.

Which is probably true unless you consider an inside 2 shot may actually be the worst avenue for offense, when a majority of the time the "Big" shooting it gets hacked, then at an ungodly inefficient rate keeps missing free throws.

Thus the previously debated worst shot is in fact worse yet because it really only accounts for a high probability of being 1 pt more often than not.:cool:
 
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Much like not all jump shots are alike, not all post ups are alike.

Kofi Cockburn in good position against a much smaller defender is a very good look.

But in the NBA, almost all defenders have great length, great post position is tougher to come by, and the floor is more open presenting a greater opportunity cost to stopping the ball in the post.

Now you’re talking about mismatches and mismatches change everything, no matter where they happen on the floor.

A straight big v big matchup in the post is very different.

-most big men don’t have the moves
-most bigs however, are able to defend the post
 
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UofIChE06

Pittsburgh
Now you’re talking about mismatches and mismatches change everything, no matter where they happen on the floor.

A straight big v big matchup in the post is very different.

-most big men don’t have the moves
-most bigs however, are able to defend the post

I don't know. Look at possibly the best "traditional" big of the last decade coming out of HS... Jahlil Okafor. He hasn't exactly set the world on fire in his career. It's just a different game than it was 20 years ago.
 
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Big Jack

Decatur
I don't know. Look at possibly the best "traditional" big of the last decade coming out of HS... Jahlil Okafor. He hasn't exactly set the world on fire in his career. It's just a different game than it was 20 years ago.

Okafor was an excellent college player and that is frankly all I care about. If Kofi is a good college player at U of I and helps get us back to where we belong fantastic. I don't much care how his game compares or equates in the NBA.
 
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