Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (July-August 2016)

[FatGreg]

I think this makes a lot of sense. Height is likely a major reason why guys like Ray Rice and Roger Powell only went as far as good college player and Euro prospect. If Roger had been 6'8" or 6'9", or Ray had been 6'6" or 6'7", their pro prospectus might have been much different.

Roger at 6'9 or Ray at 6'7 would have been no-brainer lottery picks, just like Goodwin would be at 6'8. At 6'4 with his lack of elite level explosiveness, Goodwin is not going to get much of a look as a SG unless he becomes a Buddy Hield like scorer (20+ pts, 40% 3pt shooting to go with his advanced game off the bounce). I wouldn't bet against Goodwin doing that, but shooting is more than just correcting form and getting in reps during summer workouts: if you change your release, you need to get up thousands of shots against game-speed defense to build muscle memory. There are also a hand-eye coordination and depth perception components that are only partially correctable through coaching and repetition.

If he sees himself as a future NBA point guard, I can see SLU being the right fit.

 

[Big Al]

I believe the thought was that Louisville would probably not take him if they got Malik. If that is true and they just don't have room for him, that would take them out of the equation.

I forgot to mention that they have 3 more scholarships (I think) to fill for 2017 after the Williams commit.

 

[IlliniBrave75]

I forgot to mention that they have 3 more scholarships (I think) to fill for 2017 after the Williams commit.

One will more than likely go to a PG as Snider is the only PG with a scholarship on the team.

 

[Larry Rose]

I find it hard to believe a competitor like Goodwin would want to play in the Atlantic 10. I would be shocked more than any other recruiting happening in the last 10 years.

 

[Epsilon]

This is eye opening. He seems pretty similar to Justin Smith all the way around. Smith is a little more highly regarded. Interesting.

Seems to me that both Oregon and Cal have been good at identifying talent. Not bad company to be with from that perspective.

 

[Epsilon]

NC State

NC State has done well recently with recruiting.

 

[HC Illini]

Somebody get jgood the Fletcher's gains photos and stats. That kid would be a beast with his program.

 

[FiveStar]

A couple things from where I started reading.

1) Markese Jacobs looks to have some high school Derrick Rose in has game. Not as tall but looks extremely strong and explosive for the position. If he got to 6'1 or 6'2, look out.

2) I don't like the idea of J-Good ending up somewhere else, but if we're gonna miss on a solid in-state wing, this might be the year to do it.

3) I thought Abu's highlights were underwhelming. It's obviously hard to predict from highlight tapes, but if anything they make you look better than you are. I could be wrong but I didn't see the type of athleticism/skill combo you get with an eastern or Lewis, or raw athleticism of a smith.

4) Mayan Kiir, PLEASE.

 

[GameOfThrows]

Take Lewis, if he's willing, and don't look back. And, no, I'm not kidding. Lewis, Kiir/Epperson/Uyaelunmo and Frazier/Scruggs and call it a day. Great class, for us.

I'm with you. I actually prefer Lewis long term of over Goodwin, but would be thrilled with Goodwin. Frazier or Scruggs, take whomever commits first if we are that lucky. Cairo's ceiling is way up there. Would love to have him on board.

I wold be happy with Goodwin, Frazier, and Lewis if Kiir is not an option.

 

[Deleted member 10676]

Kiir at Las Vegas Adidas Gauntlet finals. (Apologies if it's already been uploaded.)

[YOUTUBE]r4VqhdhmzkU[/YOUTUBE]

 

[FatGreg]

Kiir at Las Vegas Adidas Gauntlet finals. (Apologies if it's already been uploaded.)

[YOUTUBE]r4VqhdhmzkU[/YOUTUBE]

Thanks, Mike! The video linked is from a year ago, by the way. The only more recent mixtape is from this summer's Top 100 camp - he looks more fluid and skilled in the more recent one.

 

[Deleted member 10676]

Thanks, Mike! The video linked is from a year ago, by the way. The only more recent mixtape is from this summer's Top 100 camp - he looks more fluid and skilled in the more recent one.

ahh, thanks Greg. :thumb: Just saw the July 29th date on it. Thought that was pretty quick after the latest LV session. He does look a lot like a bull in a china closet here, so good to hear he's improved in the skills area.

 

[UCantHideYer]

Dan's quick with getting those OVs on page 1!

 

[Greensboro]

Take Lewis, if he's willing, and don't look back. And, no, I'm not kidding. Lewis, Kiir/Epperson/Uyaelunmo and Frazier/Scruggs and call it a day. Great class, for us.

What happened to the all chips in on Goodwin?

 

[sacraig]

What happened to the all chips in on Goodwin?

What happened is that stuemke made a comment earlier about SLU being in the driver's seat, which means now everyone has completely written Goodwin off and has started their "next man up" attitudes.

I guess we'll see.

 

[Joel Goodson]

What happened to the all chips in on Goodwin?

You never put all your chips on anyone. You always should have contingency plans. Steumke says Goodwin is hardly the sure thing that just about everyone assumed. I believe him.

All I'm saying is that if Lewis wants to pop, you absolutely take him, in light of the Goodwin situation. And a PG and a big trumps another wing, so bye bye Goodwin.

 

[Hands Malone]

You never put all your chips on anyone. You always should have contingency plans. Steumke says Goodwin is hardly the sure thing that just about everyone assumed. I believe him.

All I'm saying is that if Lewis wants to pop, you absolutely take him, in light of the Goodwin situation. And a PG and a big trumps another wing, so bye bye Goodwin.

Makes sense. Whatever happens happens.

 

[FatGreg]

Jerry Meyer just flipped his pick for Goodwin to slu on crystal ball!!!

Not true as far as I can tell. Joking, I assume?

 

[jrichisamazing]

What happened is that stuemke made a comment earlier about SLU being in the driver's seat, which means now everyone has completely written Goodwin off and has started their "next man up" attitudes.

I guess we'll see.

There has to be some sort of twist right? When was the last time a recruiting class has ended up exactly how we hoped/expected. Damonte, Pickett, Goodwin, Tilmon, Frazier, PF is pretty much exactly the class we've been wanting (realistically) for the past 8+ months. It can't possibly be this simple, there must be some shock decision.

Maybe Goodwin goes to SLU. Maybe Scruggs commits. Maybe we take 2 wings instead of a PF. Who knows, maybe Abu Kigab will commit on his visit.

 

[Deleted member 10676]

Main problem with Lewis is him leaving Ames this weekend without committing. And while Meyers did not flip his CB, Alex Bozich of Inside the Hall just flipped his Scruggs pick from Indiana to Xavier which had to be very painful for him and ITH readers. We could see both Lewis and Scruggs off the board this weekend.
Or not. RIF.
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Paul-Scruggs-at-Southport-54749/CurrentExpertPredictions

 

[BillMo]

Originally Posted by Joel Goodson
You never put all your chips on anyone. You always should have contingency plans. Steumke says Goodwin is hardly the sure thing that just about everyone assumed. I believe him.

All I'm saying is that if Lewis wants to pop, you absolutely take him, in light of the Goodwin situation. And a PG and a big trumps another wing, so bye bye Goodwin.



they will take the first PG ,the first wing and first big and they will still take Goodwin since they can over sign by 1 like JG has said he can count lots can happen between now and april when they have to give out the 13 scollys

 

[TooHot4Tots]

Waffles...you see them all over.

 

[Joel Goodson]

they will take the first PG ,the first wing and first big and they will still take Goodwin since they can over sign by 1 like JG has said he can count lots can happen between now and april when they have to give out the 13 scollys

Normally, I'd be in favor of oversigning for an elite or quasi-elite player. But with the size of this class and the number of wings already in the fold, I wouldn't oversign.

If we take 7, that really puts the squeeze on for the '18s. Am not willing to lose a guy like Ramey or Gordon to bring in another wing. No way, no how. Crean-ing Pickett is not an option. Just plain wrong. And broadcasts an absolutely terrible message (one that will be used ad infinitum against us).

Bottom line: Goodwin has had months and months to hop aboard. We've super heavily pursued him. If he doesn't grab the golden ring relatively soon, it may not be there any longer. Have fun being the man at SLU while playing in a crappy conference (not saying there aren't reasons for Goodwin to seriously consider that route...there are).

 

[Combo]

Normally, I'd be in favor of oversigning for an elite or quasi-elite player. But with the size of this class and the number of wings already in the fold, I wouldn't oversign.

If we take 7, that really puts the squeeze on for the '18s. Am not willing to lose a guy like Ramey or Gordon to bring in another wing. No way, no how. Crean-ing Pickett is not an option. Just plain wrong. And broadcasts an absolutely terrible message (one that will be used ad infinitum against us).

Bottom line: Goodwin has had months and months to hop aboard. We've super heavily pursued him. If he doesn't grab the golden ring relatively soon, it may not be there any longer. Have fun being the man at SLU while playing in a crappy conference (not saying there aren't reasons for Goodwin to seriously consider that route...there are).

Agreed. While I'm not for rolling over scholarships, there's really no reason to oversign in a class that already has 6 openings. If you can't get the players you need in a six-man class, something is wrong.

 

[Joel Goodson]

Agreed. While I'm not for rolling over scholarships, there's really no reason to oversign in a class that already has 6 openings. If you can't get the players you need in a six-man class, something is wrong.

We're not rolling over any rides if we take 6. And I think 99% we take 6.