If we manage to keep all our recruits (especially Tilmon) I think we definitely have the talent to be competitve in the Big Ten and maybe make the tournament. Even more so if we get Smith. It's going to depend on how much the freshmen can contribute, which is kind of a wild card. I could see us being really good in 2018 as we don't lose ANY scholarship players to graduation. However, if we miss out on both Tilmon and Smith...this next season could be ugly.
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (March 2017)
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Andre McMurray @Coachmcmurray 16m16 minutes ago
Michigan State is now in constant contact with Ramey Jets United's Mark Smith and they are trying come see him Asap!!
Michigan State is now in constant contact with Ramey Jets United's Mark Smith and they are trying come see him Asap!!
Just heard Cusamano and Tuna say that if he (Tilmon) reopens his recruitment after he talks to Underwood and gives Counzo a chance to come in to his mom's house and and sit down with the two of them it will be all over for Illinois.
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Man those idiots are the worst. Tilmon hasnt mentioned Mizzou once in any conversation about potential colleges!!
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Man those idiots are the worst. Tilmon hasnt mentioned Mizzou once in any conversation about potential colleges!!
There are a lot of coaches who would want this mess. If he keeps the class he is two deep at every position.
Michigan State, Ohio State, and I'm sure Kansas and Kentucky wont be far behind - especially with transfer announcements coming in. This will be a very tough recruitment lets hope Underwood can sell him on his offense.
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Obviously if he reopens his recruitment at this point it doesn't look good for Illinois, but not because of Cuazou... How often does a player decommit and then decide to attend the place he just decommitted from?
I don't necessarily agree or like what they are saying but that doesn't mean they are idiots.
I agree with much of what you say, but at all levels of basketball you need a guy that can create his own shot or shots for others when clock his 5 seconds and you've been stonewalled the last 25. Late in the clock every team in basketball goes to a pick and roll or iso.
Finke is a better fit for the HP than Black. Finke is capable of setting screens, can hit an elbow j or a 3 when the counters are run, and score off one dribble from the elbow. He can also be pushed to the perimeter to create other mismatches.
Black fits screening, rolling, and hitting an elbow j for sure, and he's a better defender and rebounder. What separates Finke offensively is he is more comfortable scoring off the dribble.
I agree that Kipper is the best overall fit on our roster for this offense. DJ a close second if he stays and turns it on. A big if at this point.
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Are you guys assuming he will play one of the roaming wings in this system (already forgot what they call it in the spread offense) or do you think he (or LB) will wind up having to spell Finke (and maybe Tilmon) at the nail? With our currrent roster and recruits who do you see spelling Finke there?
You can't just look at the results of Groce's first year and say that he had a lot to work with. When Weber got fired, this was a team that had gone 6-12 in conference and was 95% likely to lose their best player in Meyers. People on all Illini boards were calling the program and the team a dumpster fire. Heck, people today still refer to the end of 2012 as a dumpster fire.
It's REALLY HARD to disentangle talent with coaching. BP had a couple really great games as a senior, but was that because he always had that in him, or because Groce's coaching got him there? Did Kaminski always have a ton of talent, or was it Bo Ryan who got him there? (I lean toward talent for BP and coaching for FK, but smarter people than me can disagree)
On paper, including the incoming Freshman class, we'll have 3 RSCI top 50 and 5 RSCI top 100 players on the roster. That's probably as loaded as any team between 4-10 in the B1G. We'll get some growing pains, but there's no reason why we have to expect worse than the 8-10 this year, WITH GOOD COACHING. Groce said at his last press conference that he thinks he left this place better than where he found it. I don't necessarily agree with that, but it's probably accurate purely on a roster construction basis.
While they may be idiots, their saying that does not make them so. In fact, if what they say comes to pass, then they're absolutely correct in it being over for Illinois.
All of it. He is the best fit to play everywhere. That is why he is so dangerous.
And Morgan was a better low post scorer than Egwu. Egwu's value was almost exclusively on defense.
Idiots, not because it is over for Illinois, but that it means he will go to Missouri.
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I wouldn't call them idiots. It seems they are basing a lot of the conjecture based on 247 crystal ball projections. Wait a minute... that may make them idiots. But seriously, they are not reacting differently to crystal ball projections then members of this board do.
Uh?
Huh?
Not quite, they came out on fire in Maui, won @ Gonzaga and then started 2-7 in the conference, pulled off a miracle comeback against IU and finished strong. A very up and down season, not "got better and better" though.
Point of order on the Crystal Ball. When you're dealing with a prospect who has already committed/signed with a school, is there an "event" against which those predictions are judged in the system if that player sticks by his commitment?
Because if not, there's an entirely different incentive structure around picking flips versus picking initial commitments.
Not trying to make the world's worst Loyalty strained reasoning post there about the Mizzou Tilmon crystal balls, I'm just curious.
It's all click bait, that's it.
Good point. If there is no "penalty" per se of flipping your pick, why not speculate. If truth I have no idea how it works for a committed pick. I do think that Tilmon stays with Illinois but I base this opinion on nothing but a biased gut feel.
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No clue who "Tuna" is... but most folks in the STL market who have seen much of Cusamano through the years wouldn't take much umbrage with calling him an idiot. He's a complete homer hack or an idiot depending on your perspective.
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