Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (October 2020)

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One title doesn't get you to near blue blood status. Upon has win what, three titles and I have yet to see anyone refer to them as a blue blood. Last tourney they lost in the 1st round to 13 seed Buffalo!
Upon? oh guessing U Conn, yes they def have been referred to as Blueblood and implicated in recruiting issues as well...
 
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Elias Valtonen too. But he didn’t do much and left. He was between us and ASU a couple years back when Underwood was in mad roster building mode.

He averaged 2 ppg/5.6 p40 his sophomore and then went and got a pro contract in Europe. I am feeling like maybe I should practice for a few months and then try to get a contract.
 
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Ready for a comittment, which I'm hoping comes very soon!

 
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Never say never.

Kansas and Kentucky are a little different but all the other "Blue Bloods" are there just because of 1 or 2 amazing coaches.

Bobby Knight - Indiana (they've struggled to keep it going in recent history proving that 'blue blood' status can come and go with your head coach)
John Wooden - UCLA (they've struggled to keep it going in recent history proving that 'blue blood' status can come and go with your head coach)
Mike Krzyzewski - Duke (he's about to retire, do they go the way of Kentucky/Kansas or the way of UCLA/Indiana?)
Dean Smith - UNC
Roy Williams - Poached from Kansas to continue Dean Smith's legacy at UNC (he's retiring soon, who's to say they stay on top without him?)

Someone mentioned Arizona, Without Lute Olson's 24 years at the helm of their program Arizona wouldn't be the program they are today. Tom Izzo has done a similar thing for MSU, if MSU can replace him when the time comes with another top tier coach MSU will probably be granted full 'blue blood' status.

With Coach K, Roy Williams, and Tom Izzo all retiring in the near future; which programs are going to join Calipari and Self at the top of the pack? Memphis is making a push but who's to say Brad Underwood can't do it? Brad Underwood is 56 years old. That realistically gives him about 16 more years with our program under the best of circumstances. What if he gives us 6 Elite 8s, 3 Final 4s, and 2 Championships in his potentially 19 years with us? That certainly would put Illinois in a strong position to usher in the next era of elite college basketball.


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#1,334      
Never say never.

Kansas and Kentucky are a little different but all the other "Blue Bloods" are there just because of 1 or 2 amazing coaches.

Bobby Knight - Indiana (they've struggled to keep it going in recent history proving that 'blue blood' status can come and go with your head coach)
John Wooden - UCLA (they've struggled to keep it going in recent history proving that 'blue blood' status can come and go with your head coach)
Mike Krzyzewski - Duke (he's about to retire, do they go the way of Kentucky/Kansas or the way of UCLA/Indiana?)
Dean Smith - UNC
Roy Williams - Poached from Kansas to continue Dean Smith's legacy at UNC (he's retiring soon, who's to say they stay on top without him?)

Someone mentioned Arizona, Without Lute Olson's 24 years at the helm of their program Arizona wouldn't be the program they are today. Tom Izzo has done a similar thing for MSU, if MSU can replace him when the time comes with another top tier coach MSU will probably be granted full 'blue blood' status.

With Coach K, Roy Williams, and Tom Izzo all retiring in the near future; which programs are going to join Calipari and Self at the top of the pack? Memphis is making a push but who's to say Brad Underwood can't do it? Brad Underwood is 56 years old. That realistically gives him about 16 more years with our program under the best of circumstances. What if he gives us 6 Elite 8s, 3 Final 4s, and 2 Championships in his potentially 19 years with us? That certainly would put Illinois in a strong position to usher in the next era of elite college basketball.
Interesting post. Good points. Well said.

Hate to praise IU, but should add Branch McCracken who coached the ugly pants from pre-WW2 thru mid-60s - 2 NCs.
Probably should add Nova to the mix given recent success.

Original premise still valid.
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North Bethesda, Maryland
Never say never.

Kansas and Kentucky are a little different but all the other "Blue Bloods" are there just because of 1 or 2 amazing coaches.


With Coach K, Roy Williams, and Tom Izzo all retiring in the near future; which programs are going to join Calipari and Self at the top of the pack? Memphis is making a push but who's to say Brad Underwood can't do it? Brad Underwood is 56 years old. That realistically gives him about 16 more years with our program under the best of circumstances. What if he gives us 6 Elite 8s, 3 Final 4s, and 2 Championships in his potentially 19 years with us? That certainly would put Illinois in a strong position to usher in the next era of elite college basketball.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you say, and I believe it’s mostly what I am suggesting...the only thing I am unsure of is whether any other team will be mentioned as part of that same historical group. As you say, both IU and UCLA are nothing compared to their past, but they still hold on to that status. If there is a team that should have made the transition and be referred to as a Blue Blood, it is MSU.

I believe Illinois will become a dominant force. Memphis? I see Penny’s path ending in the NBA...at least he’ll get the opportunity.

Anyway, I should add that I am also thinking in terms of recruiting based on what happened with Hopkins. If we have a big year...highlighting stars like Ayo, Kofi, and Miller, I believe those Crystal Balls will start to turn in future battles.
 
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#1,336      
Never say never.

Kansas and Kentucky are a little different but all the other "Blue Bloods" are there just because of 1 or 2 amazing coaches.

Bobby Knight - Indiana (they've struggled to keep it going in recent history proving that 'blue blood' status can come and go with your head coach)
John Wooden - UCLA (they've struggled to keep it going in recent history proving that 'blue blood' status can come and go with your head coach)
Mike Krzyzewski - Duke (he's about to retire, do they go the way of Kentucky/Kansas or the way of UCLA/Indiana?)
Dean Smith - UNC
Roy Williams - Poached from Kansas to continue Dean Smith's legacy at UNC (he's retiring soon, who's to say they stay on top without him?)

Someone mentioned Arizona, Without Lute Olson's 24 years at the helm of their program Arizona wouldn't be the program they are today. Tom Izzo has done a similar thing for MSU, if MSU can replace him when the time comes with another top tier coach MSU will probably be granted full 'blue blood' status.

With Coach K, Roy Williams, and Tom Izzo all retiring in the near future; which programs are going to join Calipari and Self at the top of the pack? Memphis is making a push but who's to say Brad Underwood can't do it? Brad Underwood is 56 years old. That realistically gives him about 16 more years with our program under the best of circumstances. What if he gives us 6 Elite 8s, 3 Final 4s, and 2 Championships in his potentially 19 years with us? That certainly would put Illinois in a strong position to usher in the next era of elite college basketball.
Here's what I consider to be the most reliable, and truly historical ranking of NCAA college basketball programs from ESPN/Sagarin (2008). It does ignore national titles, and instead focuses upon both historical consistency as well as periodic reigns over the past 80 years. The Blue Bloods stand out, but you can obviously see the huge impact of coaches such as Ray Meyer (DePaul), Jack Hartman (KSU), Digger Phelps (ND), Norm Stewart (Mizzou) and Louie Carnasecca (St. Johns). I keep waiting for a refresh, even though we'll likely drop a couple of slots due to the most recent decade.


The ESPN/Sagarin All-Time Rankings:

1 Kentucky 89.81
2 UCLA 87.57
3 Kansas 87.27
4 North Carolina 87.19
5 Indiana 87.17
6 Illinois 86.79
7 Duke 86.65
8 Purdue 85.09
9 Ohio State 84.85
10 Iowa 84.60
11 Louisville 84.11
12 Notre Dame 84.04
13 Michigan 83.90
14 Minnesota 83.46
15 Michigan State 83.43
16 St. John’s 83.22
17 Cincinnati 83.09
18 Oklahoma State 83.04
19 Utah 82.59
20 Oklahoma 82.57
21 Villanova 82.55
22 NC State 82.53
23 Syracuse 82.28
24 Marquette 82.23
25 Southern California 82.22
26 DePaul 82.11
27 Kansas State 81.86
28 Wisconsin 81.56
29 Missouri 81.53
30 Stanford 81.33
 
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Here's what I consider to be the most reliable, and truly historical ranking of NCAA college basketball programs from ESPN/Sagarin (2008). It does ignore national titles, and instead focuses upon both historical consistency as well as periodic reigns over the past 80 years. The Blue Bloods stand out, but you can obviously see the huge impact of coaches such as Ray Meyer (DePaul), Jack Hartman (KSU), Digger Phelps (ND), Norm Stewart (Mizzou) and Louie Carnasecca (St. Johns). I keep waiting for a refresh, even though we'll likely drop a couple of slots due to the most recent decade.


The ESPN/Sagarin All-Time Rankings:

1 Kentucky 89.81
2 UCLA 87.57
3 Kansas 87.27
4 North Carolina 87.19
5 Indiana 87.17
6 Illinois 86.79
7 Duke 86.65
8 Purdue 85.09
9 Ohio State 84.85
10 Iowa 84.60
11 Louisville 84.11
12 Notre Dame 84.04
13 Michigan 83.90
14 Minnesota 83.46
15 Michigan State 83.43
16 St. John’s 83.22
17 Cincinnati 83.09
18 Oklahoma State 83.04
19 Utah 82.59
20 Oklahoma 82.57
21 Villanova 82.55
22 NC State 82.53
23 Syracuse 82.28
24 Marquette 82.23
25 Southern California 82.22
26 DePaul 82.11
27 Kansas State 81.86
28 Wisconsin 81.56
29 Missouri 81.53
30 Stanford 81.33
I’m putting little stock into a ranking that has us above Duke.
 
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New York
Here's what I consider to be the most reliable, and truly historical ranking of NCAA college basketball programs from ESPN/Sagarin (2008). It does ignore national titles, and instead focuses upon both historical consistency as well as periodic reigns over the past 80 years. The Blue Bloods stand out, but you can obviously see the huge impact of coaches such as Ray Meyer (DePaul), Jack Hartman (KSU), Digger Phelps (ND), Norm Stewart (Mizzou) and Louie Carnasecca (St. Johns). I keep waiting for a refresh, even though we'll likely drop a couple of slots due to the most recent decade.


The ESPN/Sagarin All-Time Rankings:

1 Kentucky 89.81
2 UCLA 87.57
3 Kansas 87.27
4 North Carolina 87.19
5 Indiana 87.17
6 Illinois 86.79
7 Duke 86.65
8 Purdue 85.09
9 Ohio State 84.85
10 Iowa 84.60
11 Louisville 84.11
12 Notre Dame 84.04
13 Michigan 83.90
14 Minnesota 83.46
15 Michigan State 83.43
16 St. John’s 83.22
17 Cincinnati 83.09
18 Oklahoma State 83.04
19 Utah 82.59
20 Oklahoma 82.57
21 Villanova 82.55
22 NC State 82.53
23 Syracuse 82.28
24 Marquette 82.23
25 Southern California 82.22
26 DePaul 82.11
27 Kansas State 81.86
28 Wisconsin 81.56
29 Missouri 81.53
30 Stanford 81.33
I love any ranking that puts at sixth all time believe you me, but a ranking that doesn’t factor in national champions and is 12 years old is hard to rely on
 
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6'9" PF, Daimion Collins has scheduled Saturday for his commitment. Currently, Kentucky leads with 10-1 CB's.
 
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