Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (Week of May 10th, 2021)

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KnoxIllini2

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Illini92and96 said:
Exactly. Every minor sport will demand to be paid.
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Yes, and that’s kind of the point. If you’re a hyper successful athlete, you should be compensated for your accomplishments. That should go across the board, for revenue sports and non-revenue sports for all NCAA schools in every division.

Imagine local schools being able to make a pitch to a hometown kid with endorsement deals, or guaranteed contracts post graduation for employment, with signing bonuses included upfront as a down payment? That benefits a lot of people, and I see no harm in that. They’re being compensated for their skills, while also going to school full time.

In the case of elite athletes, think Ayo Dosunmu, they’re basically doing two full-time jobs. They are working on their passion multiple hours a day (treatment, weights, treatment, practice, treatment, and that’s before class), and, did I mention, that’s before class?***

Now think of how this could benefit lower division athletes and their programs? Nothing wrong with community businesses getting involved, if you’re playing the long game.

Obviously, that’s the much more sentimental example than the reality that is the thick dark sludge of major NCAA recruiting.


*** Well aware that major D1 athletes have tutors and the like. I’m a D3 guy, if you couldn’t tell, we didn’t have any of that fancy stuff.
 
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Will a school be able to charge an athlete a licensing fee for the use use of the school’s logo as part of an athlete’s marketing of that athlete’s image?
 
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illiniguy

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oldman said:
Will a school be able to charge an athlete a licensing fee for the use use of the school’s logo as part of an athlete’s marketing of that athlete’s image?
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Calvin said:
The universities brought that problem on themselves. If you pay well below market, don't offer multi-year contracts or guarantees, the athletes are going to look a lot less loyal even though they are not the cause --it's the employer. Loyalty is a two way street --so if you bring in the #1 rated h.s. athlete for a schollie, when the free market puts that at six figures plus a schollie, then don't be surprised if he feels grossly underpaid. We know from the countless scandals, leaks, and investigations, that a lot of loyalty comes from the goodwill of boosters recognizing the gap and figuring out ways to make up for it. Whatever you might think of that system, the athletes, and the administrators that designed this cluster!@#$, it's a laughingstock. It's a model that incentivizes scandals and going around the rules. And boy oh boy is there plenty of that.

These issues get a lot more muddy as you go down the talent pool. I'm not suggesting it explains the massive amount of transfers, but I think it's a significant factor in the upper tier, and even as you drop down there are still plenty of guys who over-performed their initial college selection that want an upgrade in the program/amenities.

I'd like to think the NCAA will move towards a more equitable model, but history says they only move when public opinion is so loud that states like California pass laws to force them into allowing the athletes get some of the revenue. With the pace of change in the business end of college athletics, I'm not sure things will settle down any time soon, either.
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I agree the players deserve some of that revenue! However the success of the team is a group effort and not just solely because of one or two players. Even though those one or two players may have a more disproportionate impact towards the success of the team. There needs to be some uniformity in the earnings for these amateur student athletes. I think there should be a cap on the amount of earnings that can be paid and given to the athletes like a stipend. They generate way too much revenue for the schools to be struggling to survive while in school. It's only right to give them some!
 
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Illini92and96

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KnoxIllini2 said:
Yes, and that’s kind of the point. If you’re a hyper successful athlete, you should be compensated for your accomplishments. That should go across the board, for revenue sports and non-revenue sports for all NCAA schools in every division.

Imagine local schools being able to make a pitch to a hometown kid with endorsement deals, or guaranteed contracts post graduation for employment, with signing bonuses included upfront as a down payment? That benefits a lot of people, and I see no harm in that. They’re being compensated for their skills, while also going to school full time.

In the case of elite athletes, think Ayo Dosunmu, they’re basically doing two full-time jobs. They are working on their passion multiple hours a day (treatment, weights, treatment, practice, treatment, and that’s before class), and, did I mention, that’s before class?***

Now think of how this could benefit lower division athletes and their programs? Nothing wrong with community businesses getting involved, if you’re playing the long game.

Obviously, that’s the much more sentimental example than the reality that is the thick dark sludge of major NCAA recruiting.


*** Well aware that major D1 athletes have tutors and the like. I’m a D3 guy, if you couldn’t tell, we didn’t have any of that fancy stuff.
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i disagree that is the point, or should be the point. If we are now saying this should be treated like a business (I’m a finance guy) and saying since the university makes money the athletes should get some of it. The minor sports lose money, so why would those athletes get paid? In their case their scholarship is more than the benefit of revenue they bring in. For revenue sports, sure, let them reap the reward. Just like why the WNBA does not get big salaries - they don’t bring in big revenue.

I won’t get into whether it could benefit athletes or if it would be nice for them to get paid. That’s open for personal opinion.
 
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Deep said:
Weeeellllllll that was nice but he will have to do that over a 6'5 to 6'10 guy who can jump out of the gym and not a 5'10 buddy of his. Just sayin.....;):ROFLMAO:
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And, even if it was the NBA I believe that double-dribble would be called. ;)
 
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illini.culture IG

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Deep said:
Weeeellllllll that was nice but he will have to do that over a 6'5 to 6'10 guy who can jump out of the gym and not a 5'10 buddy of his. Just sayin.....;):ROFLMAO:
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Ummm... Podz is pretty much 6'6, and after the dunk when they are standing next to each other, the other guy doesn't look that much shorter...definitely not 5'10, maybe 6'2 or 6'3
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KnoxIllini2

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Illini92and96 said:
i disagree that is the point, or should be the point. If we are now saying this should be treated like a business (I’m a finance guy) and saying since the university makes money the athletes should get some of it. The minor sports lose money, so why would those athletes get paid? In their case their scholarship is more than the benefit of revenue they bring in. For revenue sports, sure, let them reap the reward. Just like why the WNBA does not get big salaries - they don’t bring in big revenue.

I won’t get into whether it could benefit athletes or if it would be nice for them to get paid. That’s open for personal opinion.
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NIL agreements wouldn't necessarily be coming from the schools. They would be coming from businesses, either large corporations (EA Sports, Nike, etc.) or community based advertisement deals. The smaller local deals would be the norm, while your stud recruits and athletes would get more corporate attention.

Someone gave the car dealership example earlier, now that athlete is able to take a picture inside the dealership. That picture can now be printed in the pregame guide with the athlete included in the advertisement for that business. The car dealership gets some marketing eye balls and the athlete makes a little bit of cash without getting punished for it. Win-win.

Student athletes would have the obligation to their school with the scholarship, but with every other industry, student athletes (in big sports or little sports) have the opportunity to be freelance models and marketers to use their name, image, and likeness with how they see fit.

The only state, thus far, that has a contract option between schools and athletes/students is Georgia. I don't think that should be the goal. The power should be given to the players.
 
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Johnny Lawrence

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Fr8trn16 said:
I agree the players deserve some of that revenue! However the success of the team is a group effort and not just solely because of one or two players. Even though those one or two players may have a more disproportionate impact towards the success of the team. There needs to be some uniformity in the earnings for these amateur student athletes. I think there should be a cap on the amount of earnings that can be paid and given to the athletes like a stipend. They generate way too much revenue for the schools to be struggling to survive while in school. It's only right to give them some!
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The issue with uniformity is it contradicts the entire premise of individual athletes monetizing their (NIL) Name, Image and Likeness. Plus the compensation wound't be coming from the revenue they generate for the schools but third party endorsements.
 
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WaltJabsco

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Illini92and96 said:
i disagree that is the point, or should be the point. If we are now saying this should be treated like a business (I’m a finance guy) and saying since the university makes money the athletes should get some of it. The minor sports lose money, so why would those athletes get paid? In their case their scholarship is more than the benefit of revenue they bring in. For revenue sports, sure, let them reap the reward. Just like why the WNBA does not get big salaries - they don’t bring in big revenue.

I won’t get into whether it could benefit athletes or if it would be nice for them to get paid. That’s open for personal opinion.
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I anticipate this being perceived as a gender equity issue, as it will benefit primarily, if not exclusively, male athletes.
 
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