Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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IllinoisssssssVarsity said:
I agree fully with this. The difference in the nba is your top players make more than your coach, so from the outset you know who is more important to your team.

Secondly, nba guy are usually locked in for many years if they’re your top dawg, so you’re gonna play them.

In college, if the player ain’t helping the team, you can not play him, and he can transfer immediately if he wants to. If he’s not playing a lot, he’s probably a piece you can survive losing to a transfer anyway. He’s the one who takes the risk walking away from NIL money if he’s pulling it in like that.
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I think LSU would be a very interesting example...they had all these highly rated recruits and transfers...how did that workout?
 
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illini80 said:
I think you have to assume that Miller and Co didn’t like what the staff was willing to guarantee. Which probably wasn’t much other than a chance to earn tick just like the rest of the team. I’d love to have him back, but he ain’t gonna run the point, at least on a regular basis.
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I agree. I’d be happy if he came back, but I saw nothing from him (in High School or at IL) that made me think he’d be a good PG. You watch Epps and Clark. Both are wired to score, but they both also have an obvious ability to run an offense and make things happen.
 
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illini80 said:
I don’t pay for any premium info, so all I’m ever relaying is free to all info. Ked doesn’t provide near what we get from our insiders here, but without any input from them today, I was just sharing what was said. Certainly not ground breaking, but thought a few would be interested even if you weren’t.
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Not hating on you at all. Just how ridiculous some of these “insiders” are. Like I could have gone on that radio show and provided the same info. I spent some time on 247 and Piper was so laughably behind it made me leave.
 
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EyeoftheIllini said:
I get why you compared his shooting to Plummer’s because they averaged almost the same ppg, but it is a silly comparison. Plummer is known as a shooter and was arguably the best shooter on the team.

I watched a fair amount of DePaul games this year, and have always been impressed by Jones. He’s very active on the boards and on D. To be honest, him shooting too much never seemed like a problem. Have to remember that DePaul was really bad and other than JFL, they really had no one else on offense. I think Brandon Johnson was their 3rd leading scorer and his shooting was worse than Jones and JFL.

I think you put Jones on a good team like Illinois where he doesn’t have to do everything and has help, and you’ll see his numbers improve. But he’s never going to put up Plummer shooting numbers. The key question is does he want to be The Man, or part of a team. As for position, I think he’s a 3/4 — with the 3 being optimum.
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Your point is valid but that doesn’t make the comparison “silly.”
 
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BretMyBeachHouse said:
and putting up thousands of dollars for losses doesn't sit well with donors either.

it's definitely going to add an element to how coaches are evaluated. did you take the cash you were given and invest it in the right talent.

guys putting up money for talent are going to not be happy if the guy is benched, or he plays and the team loses.

and no doubt, any coach who has succeeded in the past decades in the old system won't really care for the new one.
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You all realize that boosters have been paying players under the table for generations, right?
 
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So when are they going to announce a new NIL cap, ala the NBA salary cap, already have media revenue sharing. Why not. I truly hate this NIL and think it will be the death college sports. If your that good go to the NBA or Europe and get paid, but to pay a 19 or 20 year old kid the $ they are talking to play a collegiate sport as a student athlete is just stupid.
 
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blife said:
So when are they going to announce a new NIL cap, ala the NBA salary cap, already have media revenue sharing. Why not. I truly hate this NIL and think it will be the death college sports. If your that good go to the NBA or Europe and get paid, but to pay a 19 or 20 year old kid the $ they are talking to play a collegiate sport as a student athlete is just stupid.
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Players need to get paid, but the NCAA has unleashed the wild west here because they were completely unprepared. You can't have some rich lawyer buying teams. What if Mark Cuban decided he wanted Indiana to be a team of all stars and just gives the top guy at every position $1 M every year, or beats any offer. There's no rule against that currently.

They need to create some type of level playing feed, otherwise there will be teams the are willing to pay more that dominate and teams that either can't or won't pay up and they just fall off the charts. Mid-majors could become pretty non-existent.
 
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blife said:
So when are they going to announce a new NIL cap, ala the NBA salary cap, already have media revenue sharing. Why not. I truly hate this NIL and think it will be the death college sports. If your that good go to the NBA or Europe and get paid, but to pay a 19 or 20 year old kid the $ they are talking to play a collegiate sport as a student athlete is just stupid.
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Ummm this has been happening since the advent of college basketball.

College kids HAVE ALWAYS been getting paid. This just makes it more transparent.
 
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BashCtIllini said:
Players need to get paid, but the NCAA has unleashed the wild west here because they were completely unprepared. You can't have some rich lawyer buying teams. What if Mark Cuban decided he wanted Indiana to be a team of all stars and just gives the top guy at every position $1 M every year, or beats any offer. There's no rule against that currently.

They need to create some type of level playing feed, otherwise there will be teams the are willing to pay more that dominate and teams that either can't or won't pay up and they just fall off the charts. Mid-majors could become pretty non-existent.
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Dude that’s how John Wooden won 10 national championships.

This is exactly how the blue bloods are the blue bloods. They pay to make super teams of All Americans. Maybe this will create some parity because maybe we’ll be able to participate in the bidding war for top recruits.
 
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blife said:
So when are they going to announce a new NIL cap, ala the NBA salary cap, already have media revenue sharing. Why not. I truly hate this NIL and think it will be the death college sports. If your that good go to the NBA or Europe and get paid, but to pay a 19 or 20 year old kid the $ they are talking to play a collegiate sport as a student athlete is just stupid.
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The NBA only has so many roster spots and only a certain few European leagues can match what is being offered to some of these players. If a market value exists to the point where a company is willingly paying a collegiate player to endorse their product, I don't see how that's a bad thing.
 
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Oolongmonkee said:
Dude that’s how John Wooden won 10 national championships.

This is exactly how the blue bloods are the blue bloods. They pay to make super teams of All Americans. Maybe this will create some parity because maybe we’ll be able to participate in the bidding war for top recruits.
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Yes captain obvious we all know guys were getting paid in the past. But guys like Nijel Pack were never getting even in the ballpark of $800k. The Sun Times reported that Anthony Davis got $200k and wouldn't take it down after the threat of a lawsuit, because it was true. I believe the Fab 5 was getting around $250k. The numbers have jumped through the roof and now it isn't even for the top guys. Top QBs are getting 7 digits, this guy going to Texas A&M is cruising in on 8 digits. The under the table pay was never even close to that big. And, you still always ran the risk of getting crushed by the NCAA.

Now, anyone can give any player as much as they want, and it is not just to get their commitment, it is ongoing. It is a complete game changer, and will tip the playing field far more than the NCAA looking the other way if your team sold enough merchandise.
 
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Oolongmonkee said:
Dude that’s how John Wooden won 10 national championships.

This is exactly how the blue bloods are the blue bloods. They pay to make super teams of All Americans. Maybe this will create some parity because maybe we’ll be able to participate in the bidding war for top recruits.
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That's right. Every once in a while there will be a successful cinderella, but in the long run, the teams that stack all star talent win.

I always figured the guys who put themselves on a pedestal and bragged about running a clean program and graduating all their players might have the most to hide.
 
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