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Some researcher who is a sports buff should do a real study on personality types of coaches and team performance and if there is some secret sauce to being a top-success-level coach. Or conversely, if there are personality types that pretty much guarantee failure.

I would imagine that some mix of tough love along with love for this squad would be a high finisher in such a study for those coaches who succeed at the highest level.

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It really depends on the individual they're coaching. Successful coaches are good at recognizing each individual player's personality and how to best communicate with them such that they can reach their full potential. I always worked best with a tough but fair coach and struggled with those who I felt didn't hold players accountable or played favorites. I was good with being screamed at if it was deserved and something I could change. I didn't need/want to be coddled. But I can certainly say that isn't the type of coach that works with everyone.

Best team I was on we won the conference. That coach had more of a calm demeanor but held players extremely accountable and if you weren't willing to play with effort or play in the system you weren't playing. Used a deep bench and rotated people based on how they were playing. It was a great team to play on. Worst I played on was one where the coach had his starters that would play the full game, and when forced to sub in a player due to foul trouble would actively scream and embarrass that player the whole time they were on the court and would ride them hard in practice screaming at them to quit because they weren't good enough to play. To this day, I still don't know what his purpose was other than possibly scare the starters into never wanting to become a bench player. Needless to say that team lost a ton of games and it was a miserable experience.

Sadly that team holds the sporting moment I can remember most clearly. I was forced into the game due to our guard fouling out. We were down 2 points with time running out and we had the ball. For the past couple minutes my coach audibly made sure to scream pass whenever I touched the ball which I did (I was always a pass first, second, third player anyways). He drew up a play to get the ball to our star guard, however with my guy shading off of me and his guy playing him tight, he could not get free. Our big kicked out the ball to me with less than 7 seconds left. I was wide open behind the arc, it was a perfect pass, and I was shooting in rhythm. So, I took the shot. My coach screamed "NOOO!" and threw down his clipboard during the shot. I thought the shot was pure. It wasn't. Clanged back rim. That said I still charged the hoop, got my own rebound and tossed it back to our star player. He forced up the last second shot and missed it. Game over. My coach ran out on the court grabbing my jersey, cussing me out, saying I cost us the game. Hilariously the coach of the other team stepped in to try to get him to back off. Coach cussed him out too, lol. Anyways, long and the short of it, coach said I'd never play a single second again and I should find my own way home as I wasn't going back on the team bus. Ends up he was right, while I didn't quit the team, that would indeed wind up being my final minutes of playing time in organized basketball. Needless to say, bad coaches are bad and you know when you have one, but any coach will be worse/better for some than others. That said, while I wasn't in the right mindset then, I will always remember fondly that other coach stepping in and then later taking me aside in the handshake line giving me positive encouragement, to keep working hard, and that not all coaches are like mine and not to give up.
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky
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Another statement we heard as we approached our working life: “Do what you love, and you’ll never work another day in your life.”

And with Coaches... not only do they have to love young people and the sports they play... but Coaches have to also be the Good Parent – the Good Dad or Mom and the Good Psychologist (when to offer the sympathetic shoulder) and the Teacher/Educator (life lessons, setting a good example). And all the while WINNING GAMES and outsmarting the opposition who are trying to do the same to you and staying one step ahead of the arm-chair critics who are always at the ready to criticize you and what you're doing.

Oh... and also be sure to be a Media Star that is always charming and personable in front of the microphone. And when out in public and away from the Arena.

Other than that... this Coaching gig is easy!
You truly live up to your monicker, even in the absence of your modifying adjective. Very well articulated, my friend.
 
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Retro62

North Bethesda, Maryland
True. I'm not in education but am very good friends with many who are both teachers and administrators. When you are with them that's all they talk about. One recurring statement I've heard a multitude of times is, "If you're going to be a teacher you'd better love kids. If you don't, they will know it in a heartbeat and you will be a failure regardless of how smart or well prepared you are." I'm guessing the same hold true for coaches. I believe the players all love BU because they know he loves them.
Could not agree more wholeheartedly. I've been a teacher for 22 years, and kids can ALWAYS tell if you are someone who likes kids. Unfortunately, there are those teachers, and coaches, who don't...can't imagine what torture that is every day...for both parties.
 
#283      
It really depends on the individual they're coaching. Successful coaches are good at recognizing each individual player's personality and how to best communicate with them such that they can reach their full potential. I always worked best with a tough but fair coach and struggled with those who I felt didn't hold players accountable or played favorites. I was good with being screamed at if it was deserved and something I could change. I didn't need/want to be coddled. But I can certainly say that isn't the type of coach that works with everyone.

Best team I was on we won the conference. That coach had more of a calm demeanor but held players extremely accountable and if you weren't willing to play with effort or play in the system you weren't playing. Used a deep bench and rotated people based on how they were playing. It was a great team to play on. Worst I played on was one where the coach had his starters that would play the full game, and when forced to sub in a player due to foul trouble would actively scream and embarrass that player the whole time they were on the court and would ride them hard in practice screaming at them to quit because they weren't good enough to play. To this day, I still don't know what his purpose was other than possibly scare the starters into never wanting to become a bench player. Needless to say that team lost a ton of games and it was a miserable experience.

Sadly that team holds the sporting moment I can remember most clearly. I was forced into the game due to our guard fouling out. We were down 2 points with time running out and we had the ball. For the past couple minutes my coach audibly made sure to scream pass whenever I touched the ball which I did (I was always a pass first, second, third player anyways). He drew up a play to get the ball to our star guard, however with my guy shading off of me and his guy playing him tight, he could not get free. Our big kicked out the ball to me with less than 7 seconds left. I was wide open behind the arc, it was a perfect pass, and I was shooting in rhythm. So, I took the shot. My coach screamed "NOOO!" and threw down his clipboard during the shot. I thought the shot was pure. It wasn't. Clanged back rim. That said I still charged the hoop, got my own rebound and tossed it back to our star player. He forced up the last second shot and missed it. Game over. My coach ran out on the court grabbing my jersey, cussing me out, saying I cost us the game. Hilariously the coach of the other team stepped in to try to get him to back off. Coach cussed him out too, lol. Anyways, long and the short of it, coach said I'd never play a single second again and I should find my own way home as I wasn't going back on the team bus. Ends up he was right, while I didn't quit the team, that would indeed wind up being my final minutes of playing time in organized basketball. Needless to say, bad coaches are bad and you know when you have one, but any coach will be worse/better for some than others. That said, while I wasn't in the right mindset then, I will always remember fondly that other coach stepping in and then later taking me aside in the handshake line giving me positive encouragement, to keep working hard, and that not all coaches are like mine and not to give up.
Thanks for sharing. I lived through both types of caoches as well. When I was riding a bench I was always thinking. "what do I not do that he wants? When I got opportunities I was a positive contributor. On the flipside, when I was always playing, I felt bad for the guys not playing. Once playing Colt League (13-14yo) combined baseball, I was a benchrider. We didn't call it "travel" baseball back then, it was try out and you make the team or you're not playing. There were no 'House Leagues" above age 12 where you signed up and played. The Head coach almost never played a number of us including a decent friend of mine. One day the Head coach was away and the Assistant coach put the lineup together. He put my friend at 2nd base batting leadoff and me at SS batting second. We each had 2 hits and turned 2 double plays. The ONLY double plays we turned as a team all year. Every player and parent was aware of that game. Next game, we were back on the bench.

When I started coaching youths I never forgot what it was like being a kid in that environment. I figured out their personailities, strengths, and what worked for them. Some just wanted to have fun, some wanted to learn and have fun, some really wanted to compete/improve, and some didn't want to be there at all. I coached them as individuals. My personal philosophy that I shared with parents was: Have Fun, Be Good Sports, Improve Skills, Play as Team, Then Win. Which circles back to Having Fun. Most of my "House" and "Travel" coaching was Soccer and Baseball. I gave them as much as they wanted, needed, or could handle. I had kids that came to the team thinking they wern't any good that ended up being contributors. By the end of almost every season, I had one of the best teams. Other coaches would say things to me like " you had good players". I never said anything other than , "Yea". The only person I ever said anything to was my wife. I had seen how they coached (or not coached). I didn't just get lucky every year with the players I had. I didn't seek any accolades, but, the greatest satisfaction was the many times a kid or a parent would approach me at the end of a season and would ask, "How do we make sure we end up on your team again next year?"
 
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When I was riding a bench I was always thinking. "what do I not do that he wants?"

A Coach doesn’t have to tell you everything... but he or she better tell you SOMETHING. There is no way forward without communication and understanding what is expected of you or what in your game needs improvement. And you are relying on that powerful elder to be your mentor. That’s a heady responsibility and one that many coaches need to take more seriously.

"The Head coach almost never played a number of us including a decent friend of mine."

This kind of thing goes on all the time at the GRAMMAR SCHOOL level. What?! Are we in the NBA Finals or World Series here? This is a KID’S School! Young people not yet fully developed and trying hard to find their way. Begging for approval and encouragement that far too often never comes. Can you just imagine the great talents that could have been with just a little encouragement and less making one feel unworthy or second-rate to other kids.

"When I started coaching youths I never forgot what it was like being a kid in that environment. I figured out their personailities, strengths, and what worked for them."

This. This is what every coach should do. Conversely, how successful can a coach (or team) be if he or she does NOT figured out the unique personalities, strengths, and what works best for them? And yet, this happens all the time. No wonder so many kids no longer look to get involved in sports anymore.

"...My personal philosophy that I shared with parents was: Have Fun, Be Good Sports, Improve Skills, Play as Team..."

This is the best outcome of Sports. Championships are won every year... players come and go... but it is the integrity and purpose of The Game and those who play that endures.

Most of us will never hold a big shiny trophy over our heads. But if we can learn good life lessons from sports or anywhere else... we are now LIVING that Trophy.
 
#285      
A Coach doesn’t have to tell you everything... but he or she better tell you SOMETHING. There is no way forward without communication and understanding what is expected of you or what in your game needs improvement. And you are relying on that powerful elder to be your mentor. That’s a heady responsibility and one that many coaches need to take more seriously.

"The Head coach almost never played a number of us including a decent friend of mine."

This kind of thing goes on all the time at the GRAMMAR SCHOOL level. What?! Are we in the NBA Finals or World Series here? This is a KID’S School! Young people not yet fully developed and trying hard to find their way. Begging for approval and encouragement that far too often never comes. Can you just imagine the great talents that could have been with just a little encouragement and less making one feel unworthy or second-rate to other kids.

"When I started coaching youths I never forgot what it was like being a kid in that environment. I figured out their personailities, strengths, and what worked for them."

This. This is what every coach should do. Conversely, how successful can a coach (or team) be if he or she does NOT figured out the unique personalities, strengths, and what works best for them? And yet, this happens all the time. No wonder so many kids no longer look to get involved in sports anymore.

"...My personal philosophy that I shared with parents was: Have Fun, Be Good Sports, Improve Skills, Play as Team..."

This is the best outcome of Sports. Championships are won every year... players come and go... but it is the integrity and purpose of The Game and those who play that endures.

Most of us will never hold a big shiny trophy over our heads. But if we can learn good life lessons from sports or anywhere else... we are now LIVING that Trophy.
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#286      
I thought we were going longer and interchangeable

Skyy 6'3" ??
Jayden 6'1"
Sencire 6'3"
TSJ 6'6"
RJ 6'7"
MM 6'9"

to replace last years too small team

Trent 6'2"
Andre 6'1"
Alfonso 6'1"
Damonte 6'3"
jacob 6'6"
If all four of these short guard start, yes, we are too small but I suppose we will only have 2-3 of them on the court at the same time.
 
#287      
Love the “mean coach” posts.

Years ago Coach K was on the John Boy and Billy radio show. He was talking about a game where somebody made a bone-headed play. Coach called a time out and proceeded to scream at the kid. Duke huddled up and Coach heard the kid say: “Y’all know why he’s yelling at me . . . Because y’all can’t take it.”

Now we know why BU yells at who he yells at!

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#288      
A Coach doesn’t have to tell you everything... but he or she better tell you SOMETHING. There is no way forward without communication and understanding what is expected of you or what in your game needs improvement. And you are relying on that powerful elder to be your mentor. That’s a heady responsibility and one that many coaches need to take more seriously.

"The Head coach almost never played a number of us including a decent friend of mine."

This kind of thing goes on all the time at the GRAMMAR SCHOOL level. What?! Are we in the NBA Finals or World Series here? This is a KID’S School! Young people not yet fully developed and trying hard to find their way. Begging for approval and encouragement that far too often never comes. Can you just imagine the great talents that could have been with just a little encouragement and less making one feel unworthy or second-rate to other kids.

"When I started coaching youths I never forgot what it was like being a kid in that environment. I figured out their personailities, strengths, and what worked for them."

This. This is what every coach should do. Conversely, how successful can a coach (or team) be if he or she does NOT figured out the unique personalities, strengths, and what works best for them? And yet, this happens all the time. No wonder so many kids no longer look to get involved in sports anymore.

"...My personal philosophy that I shared with parents was: Have Fun, Be Good Sports, Improve Skills, Play as Team..."

This is the best outcome of Sports. Championships are won every year... players come and go... but it is the integrity and purpose of The Game and those who play that endures.

Most of us will never hold a big shiny trophy over our heads. But if we can learn good life lessons from sports or anywhere else... we are now LIVING that Trophy.
Thanks for replying and you definitely got it! Got what I was trying to say. I have so many stories (good and bad) of my experiences as a coach and a witness. But, we probably don't need to continue this within this thread. Honestly, I don't remember the original topic. :)
 
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chiefini

Rockford, Illinois
Thanks for replying and you definitely got it! Got what I was trying to say. I have so many stories (good and bad) of my experiences as a coach and a witness. But, we probably don't need to continue this within this thread. Honestly, I don't remember the original topic. :)
As a retired high school teacher and publications adviser whose team won an IL state championship, I TOTALLY agree with your philosophy and posts. I also agree maybe Dan could start a new thread on the philosophy of coaching for those of us who love to see our students and players succeed…
 
#290      
Different goals drive different coaching behavior

1. Coach wants players to be successful
2. Coach wants team to be successful (win) - less about individuals
3. Coach wants to be successful - less about players or team or school - just his career/money/image

You can fail as a coach by caring too much about individuals and not enough about the team

They are not mutually exclusive goals but we all have seen extreme examples where coach is too far along one axis

There are also different situations - I would not expect same goals from Jr HS vs HS vs small college vs top 20 vs NBA coach
 
#291      
Coach I played for in HS had a younger brother who was a big time scorer at a conference rival school. We played a very tough man-to-man defense, EXCEPT when we played the brother's team. Played a zone against them and the brother lit it up over the top of the zone. I quit playing team sportsafter that.
 
#292      
Different goals drive different coaching behavior

1. Coach wants players to be successful
2. Coach wants team to be successful (win) - less about individuals
3. Coach wants to be successful - less about players or team or school - just his career/money/image

You can fail as a coach by caring too much about individuals and not enough about the team

They are not mutually exclusive goals but we all have seen extreme examples where coach is too far along one axis

There are also different situations - I would not expect same goals from Jr HS vs HS vs small college vs top 20 vs NBA coach

To bring this back to the Recruiting Thread... how does your #1, #2, or #3 affect how a coach will recruit?

#1 - You get the best players you can from anywhere (of any Star ranking) and dedicate yourself to making them the best they can be. Good season record always desirable but not absolutely necessary.

#2 - Coach has a flavor of 'team' in mind and only recruits guys to fit into those slots he has 'pre-determined'. Won't necessarily look for the 'best' players but the 'best' players to fit into HIS system. OR to go in another direction: Coach sees what he has after looking for 'Team First Guys' and puts those pieces together next.

#3 - Just Win Baby. I win, I get paid. Get me a bunch of Five Star Guys so I've got the fast track to big money and the Final Fours. Don't really care about lesser Star-ranked guys or any of that 'Team' stuff.

As for the lllini ... seems truly Team oriented and caring about the players. But no individual bigger than the Team or the Coaching Philosophy so if there is a conflict it's best to go separate ways.

In short... Trent and Ayo seem to the boilerplate type of character guys that the Illini always would like to build their squads around. And most of us in Ilini Nation would be thrilled to always have that kind of legacy going.
 
#294      
It really depends on the individual they're coaching. Successful coaches are good at recognizing each individual player's personality and how to best communicate with them such that they can reach their full potential. I always worked best with a tough but fair coach and struggled with those who I felt didn't hold players accountable or played favorites. I was good with being screamed at if it was deserved and something I could change. I didn't need/want to be coddled. But I can certainly say that isn't the type of coach that works with everyone.

Best team I was on we won the conference. That coach had more of a calm demeanor but held players extremely accountable and if you weren't willing to play with effort or play in the system you weren't playing. Used a deep bench and rotated people based on how they were playing. It was a great team to play on. Worst I played on was one where the coach had his starters that would play the full game, and when forced to sub in a player due to foul trouble would actively scream and embarrass that player the whole time they were on the court and would ride them hard in practice screaming at them to quit because they weren't good enough to play. To this day, I still don't know what his purpose was other than possibly scare the starters into never wanting to become a bench player. Needless to say that team lost a ton of games and it was a miserable experience.

Sadly that team holds the sporting moment I can remember most clearly. I was forced into the game due to our guard fouling out. We were down 2 points with time running out and we had the ball. For the past couple minutes my coach audibly made sure to scream pass whenever I touched the ball which I did (I was always a pass first, second, third player anyways). He drew up a play to get the ball to our star guard, however with my guy shading off of me and his guy playing him tight, he could not get free. Our big kicked out the ball to me with less than 7 seconds left. I was wide open behind the arc, it was a perfect pass, and I was shooting in rhythm. So, I took the shot. My coach screamed "NOOO!" and threw down his clipboard during the shot. I thought the shot was pure. It wasn't. Clanged back rim. That said I still charged the hoop, got my own rebound and tossed it back to our star player. He forced up the last second shot and missed it. Game over. My coach ran out on the court grabbing my jersey, cussing me out, saying I cost us the game. Hilariously the coach of the other team stepped in to try to get him to back off. Coach cussed him out too, lol. Anyways, long and the short of it, coach said I'd never play a single second again and I should find my own way home as I wasn't going back on the team bus. Ends up he was right, while I didn't quit the team, that would indeed wind up being my final minutes of playing time in organized basketball. Needless to say, bad coaches are bad and you know when you have one, but any coach will be worse/better for some than others. That said, while I wasn't in the right mindset then, I will always remember fondly that other coach stepping in and then later taking me aside in the handshake line giving me positive encouragement, to keep working hard, and that not all coaches are like mine and not to give up.
The opposing coach was a man! Your coach was a child.
 
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