Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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The last Recruiting thread showed me the value of the Ignore function . . . some of the takes were just the other side of unconscious:poop: . . . With thanks to Pru for the graphic, many have joined the list

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I see another enjoyable season this year with the additions and the returnees. :hailtotheorange:
 
#52      
Seems a lot of people forgot that we really wanted Williams last off season, and he would have been a big missing piece of this last years team. Who knows if he gets hurt if he came here instead.
 
#53      
It will be so much easier to tell when covid years are gone...

2020: FR (Covid year) Temple
2021: SO Temple
2022: RS Iowa St.
2023: RS JR Illinois
2024: RS Senior
2025: ??? Covid RS Senior? I guess it's possible
I just put him on the grid as a junior. Can always add the 3rd year later.
 
#54      
Just leaving this here...


He was always their plan B at PG for this year. Like Indy said, they did their homework and think the injury won't be an issue.

He doesn't need to be able to shoot 3s. We need a facilitator that will get us into sets and run our plays correctly. Also a huge plus that he ranks in the 90th percentile defensively and will remind you of DMFW on defense.

Should see the pattern....we went out and got old dawgs that want to win. Our defense is going to be SCARY. Hansberry, Ty, Buck, JWill, Coleman, TSJ are in your face, strong, lockdown guys. Staff thinks QG, Harmon and Domask have the attitude to do it. If they buy in...I wouldn't want to play us.

If we click, watch out.
 
#55      
Would certainly like for him to shoot at a better clip, but there are a few things that are different from last season.

First, he’s an actual experienced PG. Other than Skyy (and he wasn’t experienced) the others we ran out there were not point guards. So they had no idea how to run an offense effectively — especially under duress at the P6 level. So if their shot wasn’t falling, they just couldn’t get the team going. I think that is less likely to be the case with Williams.

Second, it seems far more likely that he will actually run the plays called and the offense. Multiple reports say that wasn’t the case last year. I think the impact of this not happening last year is largely overlooked. Just one way this could help is to shorten those pesky scoring droughts. It is at times like that when running a particular play could result in an easy bucket and get things back on track. Instead, plays weren’t being run and the result was hero ball or bad shots at the end of shot clock.

Third, don’t underestimate the impact of good D and hustle. How often have we seen those things ignite the offense? And poor D by Epps and Clark last year had a much greater impact than just on that side of the ball. It’s those lapses that saw them sent to the bench (and get an earful from BU). And when their shot wasn’t falling, they had nothing to give themselves a spark and get back on track. Guy like Harris or Frazier before him can use that D to ignite his own play and the team’s play.

Williams ain’t no RayJ and I’d like the pick up more if he wasn’t coming off the injury, but he isn’t chopped liver. And if he can get/stay healthy, I think he can be a big improvement over Skyy and Epps play last year.
This. And more of this.
 
#56      
I think Sencire can carry some of the load also, he's just so good on the defensive side would be nice to develop his PG skills further which I'm sure he's concentrating on this summer. We gain so much having him out there. Harmon highlights look solid too. We'll be ok.
 
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This. And more of this.
I agree! Of course we wanted RayJ, but maybe this was a blessing in disguise. You have to remember that RayJ averaged nearly 20 points a game. He is going to want his. We have scorers on our roster. We need a distributor. Yes, RayJ can distribute too, but in Williams it appears we get a distributor with size that can also get after it on the defensive end. Maybe his unselfishness as a distributor that gets after it on defense is just what the doctor ordered. I hope he can stay healthy and we see him at his best. Time will tell. I like our roster! Go Illini!
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky
If the coaches want to go into the season with this roster (and LVille says with this roster they think we have final 4 potential) then that's good enough for me and I'm good to roll with it. Don't need the approval of (while obviously very intelligent & well-spoken yada yada) fans who don't know a lot about actually coaching the sport at a Div 1 collegiate level.
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Bigtex

DFW
If you have 5th year Reeves and TSJ on your team, you can make a final 4. Especially with how good our front court might be. No matter what the pg situation looks like
have seen similar experiment with 22/23 Illinois - talented team that didnt play as a team and positionless basketball doesn't mean you don't need a PG. Remember Purdue game with TSJ trying to bring the ball up the floor against Newman?

Sorry Reeves is not the answer or missing piece to the 23/24 Illinois team.

10+ guys are not going to play. Yes we have experienced guys but they are not interchangeable. In the future players are going to remember that x player went to Illinois and didn't develop or play.

Shannon, Hawkins, Dain, Goode, Domask, Guerrero, Rodgers (all will play significant minutes)
Harmon, Williams, Harris, Hansberry, Moretti, DGL (playing time will be determined by health and results)
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky
Just leaving this here...


He was always their plan B at PG for this year. Like Indy said, they did their homework and think the injury won't be an issue.

He doesn't need to be able to shoot 3s. We need a facilitator that will get us into sets and run our plays correctly. Also a huge plus that he ranks in the 90th percentile defensively and will remind you of DMFW on defense.

Should see the pattern....we went out and got old dawgs that want to win. Our defense is going to be SCARY. Hansberry, Ty, Buck, JWill, Coleman, TSJ are in your face, strong, lockdown guys. Staff thinks QG, Harmon and Domask have the attitude to do it. If they buy in...I wouldn't want to play us.

If we click, watch out.
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have seen similar experiment with 22/23 Illinois - talented team that didnt play as a team and positionless basketball doesn't mean you don't need a PG. Remember Purdue game with TSJ trying to bring the ball up the floor against Newman?

Sorry Reeves is not the answer or missing piece to the 23/24 Illinois team.

10+ guys are not going to play. Yes we have experienced guys but they are not interchangeable. In the future players are going to remember that x player went to Illinois and didn't develop or play.

Shannon, Hawkins, Dain, Goode, Domask, Guerrero, Rodgers (all will play significant minutes)
Harmon, Williams, Harris, Hansberry, Moretti, DGL (playing time will be determined by health and results)
He would fill the need of best shooter on the team.
 
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Sorry Reeves is not the answer or missing piece to the 23/24 Illinois team.

Apparently the people that get paid to do this disagree with you.

I'm not saying there should be blind faith, but come on. So many "armchair-national-championship-pedigree" college basketball coaches on this forum. When we need our next men's bball coach, Josh should look straight to this forum. /s
 
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Biggest issue last year was not talent. It was Mayer and Epps not running the offense and trying to play hero ball. Coach BU and Hawkins have stated this was a problem.

“IF” the new players buy in and run the offense, with this talent we will be fine. I’m excited about bringing in Domask, Harmon, who should do that. Domask is a great shooter as well, and he won’t be the focal point of the defense with Shannon, Hawkins, Dain, etc… around him
 
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Biggest issue last year was not talent. It was Mayer and Epps not running the offense and trying to play hero ball. Coach BU and Hawkins have stated this was a problem.

“IF” the new players buy in and run the offense, with this talent we will be fine. I’m excited about bringing in Domask, Harmon, who should do that. Domask is a great shooter as well, and he won’t be the focal point of the defense with Shannon, Hawkins, Dain, etc… around him
So we are hoping that Underwood’s offense is the key to our success as long as the players run it properly?
 
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Agree he can shoot, but what are we going to then do with Goode, Domask,Harmon, Amani, Quincy, Rodgers,Harris?

A PG, TSJ, Hawkins, and Reeves with Dainja would be your starters.

Those other new guys didn't come in here to sit.

We need another PG. Not another wing IMO.

It was also stated yesterday that Williams was coming even if we got RayJ to backup.

Staff need to keep that plan.
Agree he can shoot, but what are we going to then do with Goode, Domask,Harmon, Amani, Quincy, Rodgers,Harris?

A PG, TSJ, Hawkins, and Reeves with Dainja would be your starters.

Those other new guys didn't come in here to sit.

We need another PG. Not another wing IMO.

It was also stated yesterday that Williams was coming even if we got RayJ to backup.

Staff need to keep that plan.
I wouldn't be shocked if Dain came off the bench and plug in either Quincy or Domask. Either way I do kind of agree about a PG if it is a quality player that would likely start like Trey from Utah Valley but if not you can never have to many elite shooters like Reeves. I wanted him last year. Plus as a Freshman Williams did shoot 3s at 32.4 percent. The second season was shorten and squad couldn't shoot either. I think he can do better and hopefully while he isn't running he can work a bit on his stroke.
 
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I'm sorry, but that is simply not true. Could it happen - sure, but pg play is usually big in March Madness. Now, we have a lot of what seems to be tougher-minded players that will be defensively focused that should be better team play, but we either need more improved shooting if lack of pg play, or diverse basketball with ball-movement in which I think Domask, improved Ty, etc... will help. However, you usually still need a pg to set up stuff. Remember when we tried to have TSJ be the initiator last year against Purdon't - it was pretty rough.
U Conn didn't have some elite PG. They had guys that could pass, set up others, play D and drive the ball. I think Williams, possibly Harmon, and a late season DGL may step up. I do agree i would like to add a PG that can do those things and shoot if we can get a good one. Otherwise you take Reeves.
 
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Apparently the people that get paid to do this disagree with you.

I'm not saying there should be blind faith, but come on. So many "armchair-national-championship-pedigree" college basketball coaches on this forum. When we need our next men's bball coach, Josh should look straight to this forum. /s
Lol.

Yesterday this forum was discussing BU having epic fail and being fired.
Now they are talking about FF.

Would love to have Reeves. If Williams can play hard at high level 20-22 mpg we can be really good.


Of course have to get buy in. Staff will have a real challenge with a roster with so much depth to keep people happy.
 
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Bigtex

DFW
Apparently the people that get paid to do this disagree with you.

I'm not saying there should be blind faith, but come on. So many "armchair-national-championship-pedigree" college basketball coaches on this forum. When we need our next men's bball coach, Josh should look straight to this forum. /s
are these the same paid experts that had Purdue finishing 8th last year?

My (everyone's) goal for Illinois basketball is to have a good B1G season and make it to the S16 or beyond. Any success beyond S16 is great. Maybe it means we upset a better seeded team in the NCAA Tournament.
 
#73      
If, IF the Illini were to get Reeves then Williams would be the perfect PG. TSJ and Hawkins didn’t come back to increase their assist numbers. They came back to improve on their deficiencies which happens to be improvement in shooting and being aggressive. There are other guys as well who have dreams of NBA who will need shots. Williams is a true PG that will get them good looks and he also is a lockdown defender. If the staff has done their homework and decided he will be good to go come November then he will be a very good pickup.
 
#74      
Trade Moretti for Reeves and we’re a F4 contender.

Guards:
Shannon/Reeves/Williams/Harris/Harmon

Wings:
Rodgers/Goode/Domask

Bigs:
Hawkins/Dainja/Guerrier

Tell me where there’s a single hole in that roster?

You want a ballhandler? Reeves/Williams/Harmon

On-ball defender?
Harris/Williams

Go-to-guy?
Shannon

Switchable defender?
Hawkins/Rodgers/Guerrier/Shannon/Harmon

Interior defender?
Hawkins/Rodgers/Guerrier/Dainja

Shooter?
Goode/Domask/TSJ/Reeves

Stretch 4?
Hawkins/Guerrier/Goode?

Experience? Across the board

Size? Across the board

Add Reeves & we stack up with anyone nationally, no doubt about it…..
 
#75      
The Reeves talk is newer to me....

Is Reeves going to graduate this summer? He would need to graduate first before having eligibility to play next season if he left Kentucky for another school. Illinois going after him hard?
 
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