Certainly haven’t been a fan of NCAA but won’t improve with courts making the decisions. Remember who makes the laws.
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I don't think it's nearly that broad. The NCAA can regulate (and will), but when those regulations impede athletes' rights to earn a living, that's when they'll lose in court.
From what I can tell, the NCAA still believes it can get around the rulings. It has to be a shock to that organization --they kept all the money for decades under the slogan that this wasn't entertainment, it's education. And we all know students aren't allowed to make money. Seems to me they still don't believe the courts and legislatures, and are looking for ways around the rulings they've lost. Probably be years before they figure out how to deal with this.
I don't think AA was saying it's that broad right now, they were saying that this would be a precedent for future lawsuits to keep stripping away the ability to regulate including basic longstanding rules like 4 year eligibility.
Is earning a living the justification being used right now ? That's interesting because technically players are not paid to play, the NIL money is supposed to be separate and not directed by the school. Supposedly
This really seems like an activist judge making a ruling not based on the law. Associations should have the ability to make rules for their members. The NCAA is an association of universities whose mission it is to educate--the primary decision makers are college Presidents. Students transferring every year does not seem to be in the best interest of furthering that mission. For example, a student transferring for graduate school does.
Athletes are students not employees. If they want to 'earn a living' they can go play with another league.
GrayGhost77
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Except it isn't the NCAAs mission to educate. It stands for National Collegiate Athletics Association.
I think he was referring to the colleges not the NCAA, but your point is still valid that the NCAA could give two craps about a students education.
It’s been long enough that P5/6 need to band together and break away.
(Also then we can bring the chief back /s (kinda))
I'm 100% in favor of a one-time transfer, but it gets a bit crazy after one from a fan perspective.
The limit is set by the NCAA, not the college itself. An accounting major can freely move around to different schools and take all the accounting jobs they want. There is no restrictions set on them by a governing body.
The NCAA is trying to create fair play for everyone by having a set of rules that everyone(?) has to follow. The P6 could create their own governing body, but who knows if that would be any better for the athletes. It would be born out of greed and self-preservation. The NCAA is nearing and end, which is great, because it has outlived it's purpose and has shown no real consistency in upholding the rules it has set forth.
The limit is set by the NCAA, not the college itself. An accounting major can freely move around to different schools and take all the accounting jobs they want. There is no restrictions set on them by a governing body.
The NCAA is trying to create fair play for everyone by having a set of rules that everyone(?) has to follow. The P6 could create their own governing body, but who knows if that would be any better for the athletes. It would be born out of greed and self-preservation. The NCAA is nearing and end, which is great, because it has outlived it's purpose and has shown no real consistency in upholding the rules it has set forth.
Not sure what distinction you're trying to draw. I expect the NCAA will continue to propose lots of regulation, but regulations that are anti-competitive and hurt athletes economically won't pass court challenges. I don't see across the board eligibility as relevant to the anti-competitive practices whereas restricting movement is pretty clear. Maybe someone could make an argument, but I'm not seeing it.
If they don't want the nature of team building to change drastically, they have to start acknowledging the change in the landscape form a legal perspective. The courts seem to be quickly deciding that transfer restrictions interfere with interstate commerce. If the NCAA has interest in keeping continuity within teams, they need to start giving the schools the ability to negotiate directly with the students regarding NIL. Multi-year contracts should be part of the game.
Free agency has found College sports. The sooner they realize it, the less messy it will be.
CHIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEF!!!!!!!!!
I get that it may ruin connection to players if they have free right to move every year but that's a better scenario than restricting their ability and right to move.
As you said, I can go to college and transfer every year if I want to. It's on admissions to factor that in if they want to accept me being a perennial transfer and whether that matters to them. Similarly I can move jobs every year and it's on the hiring committee/person to factor that in. I know when I hire people I do consider constant moving as a potential red flag but is still the fair thing for the applicant to do so.
Sure. Let’s sponsor scholarships to the Native American community to show that we, unlike the NCAA, do care about education
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Joel Goodson
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Fears is pretty good:
Why have any limits at all then? Why not let them play for 8 years? Why not let pros come back to college? Why not let them transfer in mid-season from a bad team to a good one? Isn't that restricting movement? Reasonable rules and regulations even if they have a negative impact are allowed with any type of an association.
I don't see the anti-competitive argument here. If an athlete wants a scholarship to play a sport they have to meet certain requirements and follow certain rules. No one is forcing them play after all.
To be clear the schools also owe those athletes too. They promised an education after all. And, provided the athlete doesn't break the rules the school can't cut someone off mid-year.
I think most reputable schools do have a requirement similar to that.
Their mission statement:
NCAA Mission Statement (COIA Proposal) “Our mission, or core purpose, is to regulate intercollegiate athletics in a manner that enhances the role of US higher education as a critical national enterprise in a competitive global environment; ensuring that competition is fair, safe, sportsmanlike, and an enrichment of the academic experience for student-athletes and campus communities. In this regard, we honor the unique American linkage of intercollegiate athletics and academics, and the responsibility to ensure that it contributes to the national mission of higher education. We further honor the collegiate model of athletics; a model in which students participate as an avocation, and where the educational experience of the student-athlete is paramount."
The schools and NCAA are all raking in billions of dollars in revenue and profits based upon the entertainment value generated by these student athletes. I think it's only a matter of time until another case is brought before the Supreme Court where they rule that student athletes can receive direct compensation for their services.
NCAA is a non-profit org.
The schools are. Most P5 schools receive more income off of football than they spend on it.
Football and Basketball are the money sports that generate income to offset the cost of the others. It has been this way for years.
Wrong, they generate revenue, people get rich off of them, they are employees
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