Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Yes.

I also thought we'd be a successful team with RJ Melendez and Jayden Epps. I still do.

I'm a sucker for our existing guys, I get it. But Luke Goode isn't Skyy Clark, Dainja isn't Bosmans-Verdonk. These are battle tested seniors to be who are going to be playing their best and most impactful basketball next year as leaders and strong characters. That's where I'd be making my bet.
Maybe it depends on you definition of "successful team?" My layman's take is, a team heavily featuring guys like Dainja and Goode, supplemented with a couple of talented additions from the portal and younger guys like DGL, Amani and Morez, has both a higher floor but also a lower ceiling than a team that leans more heavily on imported portal talent (but minus Dainja and Goode). If you get enough portal talent, sure you run the risk that the culture and team cohesion is an issue, but if you can make it work, such a team has a much higher ceiling, imo.

I think you can potentially compete for a B1G title with Dainja and Goode as team pillars (but you'd still need probably at least Storr and someone else added), but I'm personally not convinced you could compete for a national title with such a team, and I don't think a deep run would be super likely either. Dain specifically struggles too much against other top tier bigs on both ends. And I think the deep runs/natty contention are the goals that Brad and the staff are aiming for. So again, what counts as a "successful team?" and are you willing to risk having a season like 22-23 in order to swing for the fences?

I also think people aren't giving enough weight to Brad and the other coaches for maintaining the culture even when players leave. Of course having it come from the players helps A LOT, I'm not saying it doesn't, but I think the coaches have the capability to pick up that slack if need be.
 
#803      
Luke hasn't even entered the portal yet. He put in his time as a role player for 3* years and is a great teammate/leader. If he wishes to drop down and get more PT, he's earned that right! Obviously would love to have him back, but you can't blame the guy if he leaves
This x1000

Both can be true that he loved his time at Illinois and for whatever reason he decides he wants to try something new. No different than probably half this board at times taking a new/different job.

Maybe he wants to be on a beach in Florida?
Maybe he wants to experience a different conference and different atmospheres?
Maybe he wants to go to an Ivy League and get a masters degree from one?
Maybe he wants to play 35 mpg at a lower tier program as his last year?

All are more than valid reasons for him to choose a different path for 1 year. And if he comes back, fantastic.
 
#805      
All of you who are harping negatively on the play of Goode while he was playing injured seem to forget that was the case. When healthy, he played great. When injured he was a step slower and did foul frequently. Yet BU thought his play was still good enough to give him those minutes over other players. Just sayin.......
 
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This x1000

Both can be true that he loved his time at Illinois and for whatever reason he decides he wants to try something new. No different than probably half this board at times taking a new/different job.

Maybe he wants to be on a beach in Florida?
Maybe he wants to experience a different conference and different atmospheres?
Maybe he wants to go to an Ivy League and get a masters degree from one?
Maybe he wants to play 35 mpg at a lower tier program as his last year?

All are more than valid reasons for him to choose a different path for 1 year. And if he comes back, fantastic.
I see it a lot like Grandison, great players.... got their degrees and got banners for us and want to use their last year to see what opportunities are out there. Can't blame them at all and will always be parts of the Illini fam.
 
#807      
I can't take critiques on Sencire's offensive game or lack of a future role seriously when I watched Justin Harmon be a key in the rotation and not make a 3 pointer for two months...
Maybe Sencire wants a bigger role than a spot minute guy who's two deep in the bench? Maybe he wants to be a starter somewhere? It is a two way street and given the loss of offensive production from this year's roster and with bonafide scorers coming aboard.....he wants to show that he's more of a specialist?

I'm sure that Brad would love to have him as an option as he looks down the bench in a specific situation. If you're Sencire and you have three years of college ball left...is that what you want?

Again....two wait street. Coach is paid to win and player wants minutes. Sometimes, the two needs aren't a match.
 
#808      
All of you who are harping negatively on the play of Goode while he was playing injured seem to forget that was the case. When healthy, he played great. When injured he was a step slower and did foul frequently. Yet BU thought his play was still good enough to give him those minutes over other players. Just sayin.......
No shade to Luke at all, he was an integral piece of a B1G Champ team and E8 squad (we don't win that ISU game without him), just saying there's no need to grossly exaggerate the skills of guys who might leave/have already left just to add to some kind of sky is falling narrative.
 
#809      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Your default position that Illinois is always going to pick the wrong choice or do the incorrect things
Brad is going big game hunting
No one seems to ever listen when I say these things, probably because I think it's important to caveat that both guys have weaknesses and will need to further develop and there are always risks with these sorts of things.

But if we get AJ Storr and Kylan Boswell in the transfer portal that would be in-freakin-sane. Absolute apex predator recruiting, even by Underwood's consistently extremely high standards.

And that would make good on what I've been saying over and over as it has become clearer and clearer the last couple of years as the state of college basketball has evolved: Illinois is in EXTREMELY good competitive shape in the NIL/portal world, however you may feel about that world.

Storr and Boswell would be a ludicrously talented and exciting backcourt. I'd love Dainja and Goode as complementary starters forcing the defense to account for other things, but we're moving forward in an exciting way regardless.

Podz was pushed out for Goode
My recollection is that Podz demanded a starting role to stay. Podz has self-belief bordering on the delusional, even with NBA Hall-of-Famers all over his team, in many ways that's the best aspect of him as a player (I see that in DGL too and like it). So that seems plausible.

Scholarship crunches notwithstanding, I also recall being told that Goode was penciled in as a starter and Podz wasn't, and that the staff had some doubts about how Podz would hold up physically in the Big Ten in a major role. (And then Goode got hurt and it was like "ugh, just our luck to wind up with neither of them")

Podz ended up at Santa Clara, it's not as if schools were falling all over themselves to make him a centerpiece. BU wasn't alone in his doubts. *I* didn't think Podz deserved a centerpiece role. *I* preferred Goode.

We were all wrong, that kid is a star. Good for him, I'm proud to see what he's doing in the league.
 
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on top of what Lville said, to decommit he must have committed to come here in the first place too
What...?

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#811      
I wouldn't encourage Jakstys to redshirt. A redshirt gives him an extra season in 28/29. Who thinks that he will still be here in 5 years? I would take whatever he can give us right now. It might only be in one or two games, but WTH? JMHO
 
#814      
We tend to fall in love with our own players. I understand that and even appreciate the sentiment. I was on here last year bemoaning the fact that this new portal system would significantly change collegiate athletics; and not for the better. I think my sentiments have played out just as I expected. However, college sports have become what they have become. You either get ahead of it and excel or get left behind. As far as Dain and Luke go, if they can be replaced by better basketball players here in BU's system, so be it. I still miss the old days of watching a freshman mature for four years and become part of a special team, but that's just the way it is. We either keep up or watch our competition leave us in the dust. JMHO
 
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So is offense the main reason Buck wants to transfer? Have to imagine coaches aren’t pushing him out given his value on defense.
Just who said he wants to leave? I think he made a decision to spend a year working on his game, all of it. Spent the season guarding an all American, maybe learn a few offensive tricks from TSJ along the way? He sure seems connected with what I've seen. So where is it he says he's leaving? Or is the fact he hasn't announced he's staying freaking people out?
 
#817      
Yes.

I also thought we'd be a successful team with RJ Melendez and Jayden Epps. I still do.

I'm a sucker for our existing guys, I get it. But Luke Goode isn't Skyy Clark, Dainja isn't Bosmans-Verdonk. These are battle tested seniors to be who are going to be playing their best and most impactful basketball next year as leaders and strong characters. That's where I'd be making my bet.
I agree. Everything looks shiny and new and great in the store until you get it home.
 
#818      
From what I am hearing, who knows if it is true, is that every transfer away from the program has been Brad’s doing, with the exception of Epps. I asked my guy is Goode is the same, and he said yeah, if Goode is gone it’s because Brad doesn’t have a spot for him. Hate that if it’s true 😔
Live in Fort Wayne, by Homestead. Goodes neighborhood. From friends and family, he ain't going anywhere
 
#820      
I think people tend to magnify specific player shortfalls or advantages for confirmation bias of their own opinions rather than look at the full picture (I fall victim to this as well). Overall, while you do need to be concerned by team fit and how you fit in the offense, assuming that 2 different types of players both get the same shot opportunities from areas they most often get to while playing within the offense, so long as the shooting percentage is the same it doesn't matter as much where you're taking that shot so long as it doesn't negatively effect rebound opportunities or defense. That said, most of Justin's and Sencire's opportunities for twos came at the rim. Sencire's maybe a foot or two closer on average. And many of Sencire's came from steals and transition buckets while Justin's were almost exclusively in the half-court offense, so there could be something to be said there.

As for playing with Ty, Sencire played a lot with him last year, Justin played a lot with him this year. Justin had the higher overall teammate quality, Sencire still had the better overall numbers, so if we think Justin as a net positive in 19mpg here, Sencire based on the numbers would likely have been just as effective if not slightly better on offense while being a much better defender. People can certainly say offense isn't Sencire's strength and there are better options on that end of the court, and I'd agree with that, but the same is also true for Justin, so I do think there's an argument here that Sencire getting around 20mpg wouldn't be an issue. That said, if he were to want 30+, he probably won't get that here this year.
you could have summed it up by saying Harris could have easily bricked all those corner 3s too but not looked lost on defense while being undersized.
 
#823      
Unless we strike gold in the portal, Goode might reasonable expect a role similar to this year, Agree/Disagree.


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