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Sigh... I'm about done caring, I really am. I tend to think the reason there aren't more kids pursuing engineering degrees while playing power 5 basketball has less to do with kids not wanting an education than it has to do with kids being both that skilled in the maths and sciences as well as physically and athletically gifted are in rather short supply. And you are right, my thoughts are indeed skewed, maybe because I used to tutor Illinois athletes, or perhaps it's that I still despise Jalen Rose and don't really give much credence to the idea that no college athlete cares about anything outside of hookers, blow, and parties. Or that I still hate UNC for making a mockery of college curriculums and fielding a team of athletes who never had to go to classes while fielding a team that dashed our title hopes. Or it could be that outside of the profitable sports like football and basketball you actually see a lot more athletes having actual difficult majors and getting on the dean's lists. But whatever it is, all I know is that while I don't like it, it doesn't really matter anymore. It's where college basketball is at. Be a top 8 player on your team or begone. And you are right, Ingram is an imperfect example. Lieb would probably be a better one. But as I said, once the 4 year eligibility requirement gets struck down by the courts, in I'm guessing within the next 3 years, none of this will matter. Plus who knows, at that point we might just get a few more seasons of Kofi. I could get behind that...Uh, Jack played two years at Tulsa and two years for us. Jack was basically the precursor of this, just without the bag he deserved. Does have that engineering degree and I hope he's getting paid well for it.
Edit: And the fact that you gotta use a guy from almost 20 years ago as your example really hits on the lie that is the student-athlete experience. Yes, it's wholesome and we all kinda bought in, but they were few and far between.
I'm in no way shape or form saying he hasn't gotten better. But the notion he wasn't playing highly rated dudes with other coaches watching before our offer is false. No one else gave him the time of day.partially true. but he went head to head against some pretty highly rated dudes, including Burries. his play had a lot to do with his rise too
From what I've heard ...
Not an EDG ...
So your saying Jase doesn't do threadmills too?View attachment 33295
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I think it is and will be less of a "crapshoot" as time goes by for Illinois - just last season to this season bears this out. More and better information on transfers to begin with and players wanting toi be here instead of such hard chasing makes all the difference. I believe that Coach Underwood has Mastered the new reality and has all the backing he needs to make it workMy mistake. We agree. In the talk of transfers and recruiting over guys, I was trying to say that roster changes are inevitable, and talent upgrades are great, but building a program culture requires some of the stability that we saw in the Trent & Ayo years. And these massive overhauls are a crapshoot as we’ve seen the last two years.
If Jace is decommitting, it's the best for both our program and for Jace. One of the greatest enemies of success is complacency and the best weapon against complacency is competition for playing time. To this end, we need guys here with a mentally that says, "It doesn't matter who comes into thee program. I am good enough and will work hard enough to fight for my place and win playing time." If the prospect of competition for playing time with talented players seems too much for Jace, it's better for both him and us for ties to be severed early rather than later on. Best wishes Jace, and I hope that eventually you will find what you're looking for in a program.Barely top 100 recruit with no other P5 offers wants absolute guaranteed playing time on a team coming off an E8 and B1G title?
Get real son. Look at Coleman, if that type of development isn't proof of concept enough then sayonara.
Maintain a positive relationship with the young man. He could always come on board later. Hopefully like AJ Storr may do.If Jace is decommitting, it's the best for both our program and for Jace. One of the greatest enemies of success is complacency and the best weapon against complacency is competition for playing time. To this end, we need guys here with a mentally that says, "It doesn't matter who comes into thee program. I am good enough and will work hard enough to fight for my place and win playing time." If the prospect of competition for playing time with talented players seems too much for Jace, it's better for both him and us for ties to be severed early rather than later on. Best wishes Jace, and I hope that eventually you will find what you're looking for in a program.
I was a former D-1 track athlete. Balancing track and a real major was pretty darn tough, despite all the resources thrown at me. The time commitment to play a sport in college is wild. As much as you might want an education, you're always tired and could always be doing something to better yourself athletically instead. It takes extraordinary time management and focus to do both well. For me, eventually, there came a time when I had to decide which was more important long-term. Academics won out. I quit track and transferred to a better school (you can guess which one). Guys like Jack, who can get an engineering degree while playing an even more time-consuming sport like basketball, are just incredibly impressive.Sigh... I'm about done caring, I really am. I tend to think the reason there aren't more kids pursuing engineering degrees while playing power 5 basketball has less to do with kids not wanting an education than it has to do with kids being both that skilled in the maths and sciences as well as physically and athletically gifted are in rather short supply. And you are right, my thoughts are indeed skewed, maybe because I used to tutor Illinois athletes, or perhaps it's that I still despise Jalen Rose and don't really give much credence to the idea that no college athlete cares about anything outside of hookers, blow, and parties. Or that I still hate UNC for making a mockery of college curriculums and fielding a team of athletes who never had to go to classes while fielding a team that dashed our title hopes. Or it could be that outside of the profitable sports like football and basketball you actually see a lot more athletes having actual difficult majors and getting on the dean's lists. But whatever it is, all I know is that while I don't like it, it doesn't really matter anymore. It's where college basketball is at. Be a top 8 player on your team or begone. And you are right, Ingram is an imperfect example. Lieb would probably be a better one. But as I said, once the 4 year eligibility requirement gets struck down by the courts, in I'm guessing within the next 3 years, none of this will matter. Plus who knows, at that point we might just get a few more seasons of Kofi. I could get behind that...
I'm not really sure where you got "workers being exploited" from what OP said.Workers not wanting to be totally exploited…heaven forbid.
Who are these transfers and 5* guard? Seems we're counting our chickens before.....Him moving up the rankings and playing well lately has gone to his family's head.
We are the reason he was moved up in rankings and people started to notice him. First and only real P5 school on his offer list.
He wasn't going to get tick with us this year considering the incoming transfers and possibly a 5* guard. Just funny because we got him a few really good NIL deals.
DGL is light-years ahead of him right now.
"Everyone expects what they want, and for it to happen immediately or they bolt. Don’t get a good raise? Switch companies. Society has gotten soft."I'm not really sure where you got "workers being exploited" from what OP said.
Brad and staff have their flaws, but scorched earth and burnt bridges aren't among them. Player coach relationships is a major strength of our staff. If there are any sour grapes, the source will not be on our endMaintain a positive relationship with the young man. He could always come on board later. Hopefully like AJ Storr may do.
I've seen nothing posted that I'd consider "dragging anyone through the mud." Seems like saying not an EDG guy was the exact opposite, Indy using a generalization to avoid getting into the specifics of what was going on. But thanks for your comment, because after it Indy, SharpShot and Lville opened up about what's going on, and I for one am glad they did and put in context what's going on.We're just openly dragging our signed recruits through the mud now?
I'll add... or that understand there is a maturation process and learning curve and appreciate an opportunity to compete with and be taught by some of the best. Not to mention all the other awesome non- basketball things that come with playing for the university of illinois and in the B10. I'm really surprised there are fewer Mr. Hawkins type parents and more of the other type (short sighted, etc.).Possible hot take: Programs like Illinois should only be taking incoming freshman that are going to play in their first year or rare situations where the player's talent and commitment to the program makes them almost a lock as a long-term asset. Everything else should be filled by the portal/NIL.
I know Mark was not used to hard coaching but I know that BU crossed the line in a major way with him. The things that were said to him were out of line. Team member gave me a 2nd hand account of it. Ultimately, that softened BU a bit in how he coached going forward.View attachment 33295
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So, you're saying that pointing out that an unproven recruit is demanding guaranteed playing time is dragging his name thru the mud? Seems like a pretty absurd take to me.well, this is pretty absurd. the reason to sugar coat it is to not have players names dragged through the mud. No one in the program or speaking with any sort of "insider" knowledge should give a d@mn about how the board reacts to anything. You sound like Bruce Weber.
well, this is pretty absurd. the reason to sugar coat it is to not have players names dragged through the mud. No one in the program or speaking with any sort of "insider" knowledge should give a d@mn about how the board reacts to anything. You sound like Bruce Weber.