Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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I understand that. *I* am saying that White has star potential and always did (he was rated comparable to Ayo out of HS and was Pac12 All-Frosh), that the staff is bringing him here in hopes of unlocking it, and that if it happens people saying "he's nothing more than a bench contributor" because it's a euphemism for "he's a bit of a head case and might give us nothing" are going to look pretty silly!

And I am observing it was a similar situation with Domask where many posters denigrated his possible central role on the team because that was coded as "optimistic" when we were still in Denzel mode around here.
Exactly. Tre is a classic case of the "change in scenery might help" philosophy that you do when either you have a good team culture and structure that can mitigate the risks if it doesn't work, or when you are desperate and hoping it works and you can get a high impact player for low value. We're in the former category. Tre will either shine pushing the starters for playing time or will fall into spot minute duty. Don't see him as brought in just to be a deeper bench player
 
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And we only won the dang game by 9 ...

Shot an ELITE 5 of 23 from 3 ... 18 turnovers ...

Mark Smith had 21 and Kipper had 16 ... No one else in double figures ...

Man was that first year with Brad ROUGH ...
But look how far we've come . . .


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Agreed. There are very few 7'+ quality guys in college basketball. You can generally do fine with a guy like Hawkins at the 5. Lots of National Champs have had lineups with their tallest guy 6'8-6'10. While I would love a 7' beast on our team, it's not as vital as some are making it out to be.

BTW, what's the news on Edey and Clingan. Are they coming back. I really wish Edey would leave.
As a corollary, there are so many 7' players in college BB that you don't even know they're on the court.
 
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Is Booth okay with guarding 5s at times? I think I like him as our starting 5 and either put white or Goode as our 4. Obviously really undersized but the offense would be wild

Ty trimmed up a lot last year, does he bulk up this year??
 
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A) Didn't start the thread
B) I already stopped last night but you kept going with this with other posters. I'm not sure I'm the one who needs to let it go.

Did you know?: Illinois actually averaged LESS turnovers per game in losses than they did in wins? Not the reason we lost games. Sorry.

Yes I also disagree with Indy. I don't do it often, but in this case, yes. However he's not incessantly pushing the narrative like you are (and he's actually polite in his responses as well which is helpful when having a discussion where two folks disagree).

EDIT: You are being rude, condescending, and ruining this thread/message board for everyone with this... well, whatever it is you're trying to do, I'm not real sure, exactly. You're calling people whiners, starting out messages calling their viewpoints "inane" (definition: silly; stupid). Try to have some tact, good grief.
What about my first 5-6 responses were rude? It was 5 pedantic responses in about me not being able to definitively show it that I started being sarcastic.

And I called you a whiner because of exactly this post, it's exhausting to read people rage against strawmen and complain about people responding to posts they're quoted in. I figured out how to mute someone that I can't see their profile for, so we can be adults and ignore each other now. Sorry for ruining your experience.

I understand that. *I* am saying that White has star potential and always did (he was rated comparable to Ayo out of HS and was Pac12 All-Frosh), that the staff is bringing him here in hopes of unlocking it, and that if it happens people saying "he's nothing more than a bench contributor" because it's a euphemism for "he's a bit of a head case and might give us nothing" are going to look pretty silly!

And I am observing it was a similar situation with Domask where many posters denigrated his possible central role on the team because that was coded as "optimistic" when we were still in Denzel mode around here.
Yeah, that's the rub here. I definitely can't complain about how the season turned out and the butterfly effect is real.

It's really nice to see BU & staff prioritizing the spot this offseason though...not recreating Weber/Groce's adventures.
 
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Comparing him to the best player in program history that went 3rd overall and was an all pro caliber NBA player might be a bit of a stretch.

I get it from the build that Deron needed to lose weight and Boswell but probably would benefit from getting leaner and quicker.
Ha, fair. Just looking at their advanced stats from DWill's fr year and Boswell last year if you squint you see it.

If all goes to plan KB will have lots of opportunities for assists and open 3s this year.
 
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ok, I think early lineups are flippin' silly. that said, this has me juiced:

Boswell
Maddox
Storr
Morez
Booth

with a dynamite, deep bench, to boot
Has anyone watched film on Booth enough to comment on whether they think he has the lateral quickness and skill to effectively guard wings on the perimeter? Basically I'm wondering if Booth is playable at the 3 or as a wing, if it doesn't work out with Storr. I guess the same question applies to Tre White.
 
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RIP Positionless Basketball, I love it
So I like this starting lineup a lot, as long as Morez proves up to the task as a freshman (he certainly seems to have the talent and mindset to handle it, but a freshman's still a freshman so there's a question mark. It only worries me because I'd hate to be in a position where you find out he's not quite ready yet but it's too late to do anything about it from a roster perspective).

But another thing I like about the team as it's coming together, is you could sub Ty for Boswell, White for Maddox, and Amani in for Rez, and you're kind of back to positionless basketball to give a different look for a limited stretch of a game. And 4 of those 5 make enough 3s that you at least can't just dare them to shoot out there.

Ty
Storr
Tre White
Amani
Booth
 
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What about my first 5-6 responses were rude? It was 5 pedantic responses in about me not being able to definitively show it that I started being sarcastic.

And I called you a whiner because of exactly this post, it's exhausting to read people rage against strawmen and complain about people responding to posts they're quoted in. I figured out how to mute someone that I can't see their profile for, so we can be adults and ignore each other now. Sorry for ruining your experience.


Yeah, that's the rub here. I definitely can't complain about how the season turned out and the butterfly effect is real.

It's really nice to see BU & staff prioritizing the spot this offseason though...not recreating Weber/Groce's adventures.

So are you justifying simply losing all control of yourself because you are frustrated that you are losing an argument? You are continuing with it, too. Calling my responses 'pedantic'... which...

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Just like I cannot say our losses were definitively NOT because of turnovers, you cannot say our losses definitively WERE because of turnovers.

I'm cool to end the debate, but my position is still that Domask ended up being a good PG for us. Lot of evidence he was, not very much that he wasn't. Someone else at one point wanted to throw raw turnover numbers at me, like he didn't play 10 more games than the guys he compared him to. He had one of the lowest turnover rates in the country for a lead guard & guy with the ball in his hands every single possession.

I agree that it shouldn't have worked, but did. And that also is one of the larger points I'm trying to make here: this staff continues to make things work when they otherwise shouldn't. I know there are complaints about in-game rigidity, but the player development and ability to adapt over the course of a season has been (imo), to use BU's favorite word, elite.
 
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Looking back at it I wouldn’t put it past the NCAA selection committee that they intentially put us in the same region as UConn to try and create a roadblock and make it as difficult as possible for the U of I making the Final Four because of the TSJ situation
Silly. These committee members can't predict anything. We played Duquesne in the second round. We had people on the board screaming about the committee seeding BYU incorrectly. We didn't even play them. By the time you get to the Sweet 16, everyone is really good. Iowa State was a well deserving 2 seed.

When you starting focusing on UCONN, did they penalize Florida Atlantic? Northwestern? Auburn(who lost to Yale anyway)? San Diego State? Iowa State?

You would have to put every team in that boat. Every one.

Doesn't the committee try to avoid rematches earlier in the tournament? We played both Marquette and Tennessee earlier in the year and we lost both.

Here's the reality....if we don't wet the bed versus Michigan State, Penn State and Maryland or beat Marquette at home, where again we were winning late.... we're playing in Indianapolis and Marquette is in Omaha. That's on us. We should have won those games. We controlled that.

UCONN was the best team in the country , by far. It wasn't close. Did it suck to get them before the Final Four? Absolutely. It would have been nice to win one more game and get into the Final Four. That committee has WAY too much to consider that doesn't include TJ. That's just insanity.

One more thought....instead of faulting them for putting us in the same regional as UCONN.....let's not let up a 30-0 run, let's have TJ have a good game and let's beat them. There were no rules against that option.

Nobody is picking on us or are out to get us. This take along with the takes that the refs are out to get us every game is ridiculous and sometimes it's infuriating.
 
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So are you justifying simply losing all control of yourself because you are frustrated that you are losing an argument? You are continuing with it, too. Calling my responses 'pedantic'... which...

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Just like I cannot say our losses were definitively NOT because of turnovers, you cannot say our losses definitively WERE because of turnovers.

I'm cool to end the debate, but my position is still that Domask ended up being a good PG for us. Lot of evidence he was, not very much that he wasn't. Someone else at one point wanted to throw raw turnover numbers at me, like he didn't play 10 more games than the guys he compared him to. He had one of the lowest turnover rates in the country for a lead guard & guy with the ball in his hands every single possession.

I agree that it shouldn't have worked, but did. And that also is one of the larger points I'm trying to make here: this staff continues to make things work when they otherwise shouldn't. I know there are complaints about in-game rigidity, but the player development and ability to adapt over the course of a season has been (imo), to use BU's favorite word, elite.
Domask ended up filling our point gaurd needs without really being a point gaurd. We had a great offense without having great offensive flow at times that a true point gaurd would have been able to create. The debate about us needing a point gaurd was just. We didn't have one but we're able to compensate with Domask bringing it up emphasizing ball security not creating. Last year will always be remembered by me as one of our greatest ever and an amazing accomplishment considering we didn't have a true point gaurd.
 
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