Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Morez won’t be starting
Hmm interesting. So then would it be Booth starting at the 5? If so, who starts at 4? Amani or Tre White? Ty??
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#630      
I’ve heard rumors of Kofi’s lack of desire to put in extra time outside of mandatory team workouts. And it would explain why his trajectory and Edey’s are very different.
 
#631      
How can you categorically say that? If he comes in and looks like our best option at the 4 of the 5, why wouldn't you start him?
I didn’t take 0440’s post as a categorical statement but more of a strongly-worded prediction. I would think that, as you said, if Morez came in and earned a starting job over his competition then he would indeed start. But 0440 seems to be predicting that that won’t happen (corrrect me if I’m wrong)

So I’d be interested in hearing 0440’s prediction of who WILL be starting.
 
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GrayGhost77

Centennial, CO
ok, I think early lineups are flippin' silly. that said, this has me juiced:

Boswell
Maddox
Storr
Morez
Booth

with a dynamite, deep bench, to boot
Then you have guys like Hansberry up front off the bench, plus two shooters in Goode and Davis, defensive stopper in Sencire, backup PG DGL, and a potential wild card in White. That is a team that could go very, very deep if the chemistry develops.
 
#634      
It might not have been you, but I thought it was mentioned at one point in time that with his commitment and loyalty, he was basically guaranteed a starting spot?
While the stigma a starting spot is nice, I see Morez getting around 20mpg regardless of whether he starts or is coming off the bench. It's a young frontcourt, there should be a lot of rotation there and a lot of shared minutes. I don't see a universe where he's stapled to the bench aside for spot minutes, unless he really really really underperforms expectations. He'll be seeing the court with significant minutes.
 
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Bigtex

DFW
Kofi not even in the same area code as Edey.
 
#637      
Is Booth preferred over Bradshaw? I vote for holding out for Kalkbrenner......
 
#640      

Illini in OC

In. The. Alley.
Like this. I don't believe he will be the best option at the 4 or 5. He will play though.
I trust that BU explains to all newcomers that we put the best lineup on the floor every night and the staff determines who that is based on preparation and recently demonstrated consistent performance in games and practice.... i.e. being EDGs.

If we get guys who can play and who buy into this, we are golden.
 
#641      
Morez won’t be starting
This is an opinion and I respect that, I really, really do. However, unless we get commitments from a PF and C that are really, really good and thus promised starting spots, I can't imagine putting any credence on that statement. It may turn out to be true, and I have not seen Morez play one minute, but we know he is talented and driven to win and excel. Hard to keep those types on the bench.

And, if Johnson is already relegated to riding the pine, it will likely be another great year of achievement and very exciting.

I am also one that strongly believes that college freshmen need to earn their way on the floor. Every one of them has many things to learn and improve... generally playing defense. Morez will need to learn to play in the paint against talented, smart bigs without fouling....and that takes time and experience (just ask CoHawk). But, for the moment, I don't think Brad has any other option. The next moment may change things, however,

Sure would like to know the reasoning behind the statement or is it, in fact, just an opinion.

(Not trying to steal any thunder from Pru, but his really, really seems very effective. Will gladly pay any pre-announced copyright fines if previously posted).
 
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Looks great, but we don't have 4 of those 5 yet. I'm of the school that there are no "locks" in recruiting.
Agreed, Hey, lets get some more imaginary portal players that we think are coming here that we don't have any commitment from, and lose all of those pathetic guys who are actually currently on the team. We don't need them anymore...Boy must dream about these random scenarios in his head all day.
 
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Like this. I don't believe he will be the best option at the 4 or 5. He will play though.
Gah just toying with us
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Ok, for your predicted starters at the 4 and 5, blink once if only one of these players is already committed or on the roster, blink twice if BOTH of your predicted 4 and 5 starters are committed or on the roster, and blink 3 times if none of them are yet :geek:
 
#645      
So are you justifying simply losing all control of yourself because you are frustrated that you are losing an argument? You are continuing with it, too. Calling my responses 'pedantic'... which...

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Just like I cannot say our losses were definitively NOT because of turnovers, you cannot say our losses definitively WERE because of turnovers.

I'm cool to end the debate, but my position is still that Domask ended up being a good PG for us. Lot of evidence he was, not very much that he wasn't. Someone else at one point wanted to throw raw turnover numbers at me, like he didn't play 10 more games than the guys he compared him to. He had one of the lowest turnover rates in the country for a lead guard & guy with the ball in his hands every single possession.

I agree that it shouldn't have worked, but did. And that also is one of the larger points I'm trying to make here: this staff continues to make things work when they otherwise shouldn't. I know there are complaints about in-game rigidity, but the player development and ability to adapt over the course of a season has been (imo), to use BU's favorite word, elite.

The last thing I want to do is jump into *this* debate, but is this true? I had no idea. I looked at some of the better Big Ten teams and some of the good lead guards on better teams. I'm not sure if Tominaga is really a lead guard but I used him for Nebraska.

KP has his turnover rate as 16.4.

Braden Smith - 21.1
Chucky Hepburn - 13.7
Tyson Walker - 9.1 (ELITE)
Keisei Tominaga - 11.9
Boo Buie - 13.7
Zakai Zeigler - 18.2
Tyler Kolek - 18.9
Mark Sears - 15.3
Jeremy Roach - 12.5
Tamin Lipsey - 16.4

Based on this small sample size, I wouldn't say one of the lowest turnover rates in the country. I would say he's closer to the middle of the pack, which is still good for playing out of position!
 
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Like this. I don't believe he will be the best option at the 4 or 5. He will play though.
Which implies we're getting a stud 4/5 in the Portal or Hawkins is back. Or Ty or Amani improves a ton. Seems too early to make any categorical statements about who will be starting up front. I do agree that Morez will play a lot whether he starts or not.

OTOH if we add Storr, then it seems you could say (almost) categorically that he would start.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
I trust that BU explains to all newcomers that we put the best lineup on the floor every night and the staff determines who that is based on preparation and recently demonstrated consistent performance in games and practice
Exactly, which is to say that declaring which players will or won't be starting in mid-April is totally premature even if the inside information is coming straight from Brad Underwood's mouth.

The group that gives us the best chance to win will be out there and no one knows that until the team has started working together. It's tough for freshman in today's college basketball and we are going to add competition in the frontcourt in the portal, but Morez is really talented and has an opportunity to be a major contributor and starter if his readiness to play exceeds expectations.

My thing is that he's a freshman big so you can bet your beach house he's going to foul too much initially, like every freshman big since time immemorial.
 
#649      
Which implies we're getting a stud 4/5 in the Portal or Hawkins is back. Or Ty or Amani improves a ton. Seems too early to make any categorical statements about who will be starting up front. I do agree that Morez will play a lot whether he starts or not.

OTOH if we add Storr, then it seems you could say (almost) categorically that he would start.
OTOOH, recruiting is fluid so don't read any forward looking statement as categorical, instead read them as 'at this point in time we do not expect Morez to be starting'

Unless of course you want to be offended by an insider passing on what they heard from the staff that know more about the players and team makeup than we know 😀
 
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