Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Lamenting over the the “decline” of academics for student athletes or being concerned for the quality of education, or lack thereof, that transfer portal is inflicting on these players, is completely misplaced and just plain unnecessary, and this is coming from someone who went on to get a PhD from an Ivy League school after graduating from U of I and seriously considered becoming a professor.

These kids are/were getting as valuable an education on the court/in their practice/in the film room/in the locker room as you did in the classrooms, if not more practical. Unless you are training to become an academic, a scientist, a doctor or a professional in only a few select fields, like engineering or accounting, a *strictly* defined college education that some of you want to impose is completely overrated and outdated. Most of us learn on the job and it’s the *ability* to learn that’s the most important thing a higher-education can help train. Being an athlete actually provides more than enough of that opportunity. In fact, I would argue, the kids having to navigate NIL and transfer portal, make them even more resilient learners.
The transfer portal could be increasing the actual cash in a college athlete's hands and that could cause the student part of student athlete to take a further backseat. Those could be true and the portal could still be a good thing.
But don't be a goon and act like a college degree doesn't matter or doesn't open/shut doors immediately all around the country and world. It does, you can't do my job without a college degree although to your first point the degree does not infer you to be bad or good but the door is 100% closed without a degree in many fields.
 
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Sencire Harris had one foot out the door since last November.
Oh did he now? He sure didn't seem that way in season, and there was no talk whatsoever about it from people in the know, and it sure seemed like from whatever everyone was saying who was involved in the program that he was a great teammate and was still working hard in practice and being excited for teammates. My gut feel on this type of statement is rewriting history to fit a narrative. I find it far more likely that he was pissed by the Harmon addition and ensuing conversation with the coaching staff that he was going to have a reduced role because Harmon was going to get guaranteed time, but decided to stay and redshirt at the chance of an expanded role this upcoming year along the lines of the 20+ minutes a game Brad was talking about when explaining the redshirt. Then instead of pouting on the bench and being a clubhouse cancer, he buys in and does everything he needs to as a teammate. Then goes into this offseason excited about playing for Illinois next year only to find after discussions again this offseason, that 20+min likely isn't going to happen and his guy who was arguing for him on the coaching staff is leaving. And so it's in his best interest to leave. That makes sense to me. Him having one foot out the door the whole time, discussing possible transfers to other teams, not caring about the team this year? Sorry, I just don't buy it. And yes, this is even after an insider agrees with you.

I find we do this character assassination attempt anytime a player leaves and I just have a very difficult time seeing how it's warranted in this case based on everything we've heard about him this season up until your post. It makes far more sense that Sencire sees more value in himself and his possible future than Brad sees in him right now. And that's not wrong or right, it just is, so he'll go to a team where he thinks sees him in similar light. But one foot out the door the whole time? Nah... That was Epps, not Sencire. Because just like Epps, we would've heard about it from multiple sources if it was the case.
 
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Another thing is, is school pride still a thing. Look at guys like Cook, Sergio, Frankie, Leonard, Tisdale. It's like they had pride to play for Illinois. Does that exist anymore? Or is it all about money. "I can go to this school I have always wanted to go and get paid 450,000 or this school across the country and get 900,000...I'll take the 900,000"
I would take the $900,000, too.
 
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Another thing is, is school pride still a thing. Look at guys like Cook, Sergio, Frankie, Leonard, Tisdale. It's like they had pride to play for Illinois. Does that exist anymore? Or is it all about money. "I can go to this school I have always wanted to go and get paid 450,000 or this school across the country and get 900,000...I'll take the 900,000"
You seriously think guys like TSJ, Domask, Guerrier don't have pride to have played for Illinois, leading us to our first E8 in 20 years and winning a conference tourney? Again, if you didn't think players all across college basketball haven't been receiving money until the last couple of years then you haven't been paying attention.

And for the record, Meyers had the absolute most unremarkable career with us...... never won jack, biggest thing he's remembered for here is crying on the bench while being blown out by a 13 win Nebraska team, and was here for only 2 years.....what makes him more "Illini pride-level" than TSJ, Domask, Plummer, Feliz?
 
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I have a weird feeling about this Sencire transfer and its potential to be a lot like Podz in hindsight. Two very different players and I don't see Sencire as a pro prospect (at all), but I expect he'll be successful at his next stop, leading some to question why BU was unwilling to commit more readily to playing him more. I know this transfer is different because his guy (Chester) is also leaving, but I could see a similar narrative nonetheless if Sencire is helping a good team win a lot of games.
 
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The transfer portal could be increasing the actual cash in a college athlete's hands and that could cause the student part of student athlete to take a further backseat. Those could be true and the portal could still be a good thing.
But don't be a goon and act like a college degree doesn't matter or doesn't open/shut doors immediately all around the country and world. It does, you can't do my job without a college degree although to your first point the degree does not infer you to be bad or good but the door is 100% closed without a degree in many fields.
1. Transfer portal is not preventing any kid from getting a college degree. Just a degree from a different school.
2. Kids that drop out early entirely have career prospects that don’t care for a college degree.
 
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I have a weird feeling about this Sencire transfer and its potential to be a lot like Podz in hindsight. Two very different players and I don't see Sencire as a pro prospect (at all), but I expect he'll be successful at his next stop, leading some to question why BU was unwilling to commit more readily to playing him more. I know this transfer is different because his guy (Chester) is also leaving, but I could see a similar narrative nonetheless if Sencire is helping a good team win a lot of games.

His defense alone will help WVU win games. He has a looooot of untapped potential so far.....sad to see him go man.
 
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I find we do this character assassination attempt anytime a player leaves and I just have a very difficult time seeing how it's warranted in this case based on everything we've heard about him this season up until your post. It makes far more sense that Sencire sees more value in himself and his possible future than Brad sees in him right now. And that's not wrong or right, it just is, so he'll go to a team where he thinks sees him in similar light. But one foot out the door the whole time? Nah... That was Epps, not Sencire. Because just like Epps, we would've heard about it from multiple sources if it was the case.
"Character assasination" ? He's gone. JMO - hated to see him go but he is not a 30 mpg player at at top 20 team anywhere else. WVU he might play more but they finished last in Big 12. I hope is offense and free throw shooting improved in off year but he had a long way to go.
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I have a weird feeling about this Sencire transfer and its potential to be a lot like Podz in hindsight. Two very different players and I don't see Sencire as a pro prospect (at all), but I expect he'll be successful at his next stop, leading some to question why BU was unwilling to commit more readily to playing him more. I know this transfer is different because his guy (Chester) is also leaving, but I could see a similar narrative nonetheless if Sencire is helping a good team win a lot of games.
Well I do think it's very possible, perhaps likely that Sencire helps a good team win games. I think he could have helped us too, but I also can see how he might end up being a better fit with a team that is more defense-oriented and plays slower. I can see Sencire having a lot of value to a team that doesn't need him to do too much offensively other than hit some open shots at times and attack the rim when it opens up, but otherwise you could view Sencire as not really being a "mouth to feed" on offense. And having a guy that doesn't need a lot of shots each game fits great at a slower pace. But it seems Brad wants to play faster and have more overall possessions, so in that case you can get away with having more guys on the floor at once that are looking to score. Obviously more possessions means more shots to go around.

Whatever the case, sad to see Sencire go, but hope he finds a great fit for him and achieves his goals.
 
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I have a sick feeling Michigan is going to be very good this coming season
 
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foby

Bonnaroo Land
I have a sick feeling Michigan is going to be very good this coming season
Roster, yes. But coaching them to a matching record? That remains to be seen.
 
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I have a weird feeling about this Sencire transfer and its potential to be a lot like Podz in hindsight. Two very different players and I don't see Sencire as a pro prospect (at all), but I expect he'll be successful at his next stop, leading some to question why BU was unwilling to commit more readily to playing him more. I know this transfer is different because his guy (Chester) is also leaving, but I could see a similar narrative nonetheless if Sencire is helping a good team win a lot of games.
Every team needs a lock-down defender, rebounder, effort, energy and intangibles guy on the squad to do all the dirty-work. The challenge for IL is that we had 2 of those guys in Rodgers and Harris. Clearly Rodgers has more to offer the team, as was evidenced in his role this year, and Harris chose to RS and work on his game (a good move on his part).
Don't get me wrong, I love Sencire, but I can see why he wasn't the highest priority and for him why he is seeking a better fit. My guess it will be with a club that doesn't already have that effort, energy, D / rebound guy.
 
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I have a sick feeling Michigan is going to be very good this coming season
UM can only improve. but its a long way from last place to where we are. With the portal everybody has to reload every year. Purdue loses Zedet AA. Illinois loses TSJ AA. Nebraska loses Tominaga, Northwestern loses Boo, Wisconsin loses Storr. IU loses Ware to NBA. All schools are in same boat.
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#271      
Losing Harris sucks. I was a fan.

Any insiders care to comment about how he looked in practice all year? Was he holding his own, or do we not expect much from him wherever he lands?
 
#272      
The same Dusty May that turned around a s***hole of a program and coached a mid-major to the Final Four? Not sure why people are so quick to discount him.
He had one great year where he made the FF where the highest seed they faced was a (3). Massive disappointment this season where they were clearly the most talented team in the AAC, couldn't win the conference or the conference tourney and got bounced 1st round. Every season before the FF year could never make it past the CBI first round in the 2/4 years they even made it. Not like he's from some legend's coaching tree either

Not worried about him resurrecting Michigan, but predicting coaching success when moving up a level is an inexact science so I could always be wrong!
 
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mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
Talent wise the big ten is going to be crazy next year

Better
Michigan
Ohio State
Indiana
Rutgers (massive wildcard - probably worse to start and better at the end)

Same or Portal TBD
Penn State
Maryland (maybe better?)
Michigan State
Illinois
Nebraska

Worse
Minnesota
Iowa
Wisconsin
Purdue
NW

Still Don't Believe in Big Ten
Washington
USC
UCLA
Oregon

Some of this basic regression - Michigan and Ohio State are going to bounce back. Purdue and Illinois are likely to fall back towards the pack. A lot of this shows the trends of NIL and booster funds in action.
 
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"Character assasination" ? He's gone. JMO - hated to see him go but he is not a 30 mpg player at at top 20 team anywhere else. WVU he might play more but they finished last in Big 12. I hope is offense and free throw shooting improved in off year but he had a long way to go.
Yeah, I'd say saying a player had his foot out the door the entire year has a very negative connotation to it, tantamount to character assassination. He very well might be a bench player at many P5 schools, but he's not deserving of a label that he had a foot out of the door if there's not really any truth to it. As for the 30mpg or I leave ultimatum you are suggesting, seems unreasonable that happened or that he asked for it as again, we would have heard about it. So I'll say again, I don't see a need to drag Sencire through the mud unless there's a real factual reason to do so.
 
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