Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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altgeld88
DewLou said:
Maybe it's just me but these young men are really overreaching. Asking $1M - $1.2M, getting crazy.
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If you ask $1.2 million and a buyer (as apparently IU did) accepts, then your market price is at least $1.2 million. Not a penny less.

pruman91 said:
This portal crap has aged me a little.......It really really has................
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Serenity now, Brother Pru. A natty later.
 
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PepeSilvia
ChiefGritty said:
Skyy I will grant you, that was just a marriage that fell apart before the honeymoon and could never have worked.

But I think money is clearly an element of what the broader issue was with Epps, he wanted to be a (perhaps "the") centerpiece and Brad didn't see him that way.

Same with Dainja, same with Hansberry, same with RJ, same with Harris, we didn't think they were good enough to get the bump in role (in a basketball and financial sense, the two being linked hand in hand) that they wanted and could get elsewhere.
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I agree except about RJ. He legitimately got a shot to be a major piece as a sophomore but he just didn't improve at all.

Since then I think Brad is treating unproven players as basically we're going to continue to bring in talent and you're going to have to earn it.

Epps and Miller clearly just wanted to be the guy.
 
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sacraig
ChiTown said:
Indiana stacking talents in the portal…
https://twitter.com/x/status/1780300659394302014
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half baked boo GIF
 
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ChiefGritty
PepeSilvia said:
I agree except about RJ. He legitimately got a shot to be a major piece as a sophomore but he just didn't improve at all.

Since then I think Brad is treating unproven players as basically we're going to continue to bring in talent and you're going to have to earn it.
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But whether it's Hansberry or a guy like RJ who didn't really take his opportunity you COULD say "we are betting on you, we are paying you as the player we believe you can be, we are going to forego other options to keep believing and grinding with the kids we recruited".

There are programs attempting some flavor of that. Certainly moreso than us. If the schools that prioritize stability show more player development and more cohesiveness and consistently win games against the portal rent-a-teams everybody is going to start bending toward that strategy.

Early returns kinda look like the opposite though (look at us and Michigan State this year for example). Just spend your NIL dollars on the best new team you can find every year. But it's early.

My point is, it's not IMPOSSIBLE to keep a team together, at least to a significant degree, especially if you're NIL rich like us. We CAN achieve that if we want to. It would just mean foregoing proven quality for potential quality, which BU is understandably unwilling to do based on the data we have.
 
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ever
Trueblue777 said:
Wasn’t Marcus Domask ranked 84th last year? Point I’m trying to make is rankings don’t mean much this time of year.
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Yeah, the rankings seem pretty unreliable. Maybe they're too influenced by high school ratings and/or long term potential, but Domask is a great example of a guy with proven success who was undervalued by these rankings. Cam Spencer is another good example.

Personally, my takeaway is that proven success (and fit) matters more than anything else. Of course many players are going to improve, but that's unpredictable and they might transfer somewhere else before that ever happens. You can probably afford to take a chance on a high-risk high-ceiling guy here and there, but I wouldn't feel great about a roster full of highly "talented" guys who haven't yet figured out how to translate their talent into results.
 
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fulton steamer
soupy17 said:
Depends on your source. I've used 247 for keeping tabs on our targets for the portal tracker sheet, and I've found they lag by roughly 24 hours (give or take) from when guys enter the portal to assigning a transfer rating/ranking.
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Thanks for the soup!
 
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ChiefGritty
ever said:
Yeah, the rankings seem pretty unreliable. Maybe they're too influenced by high school ratings and/or long term potential, but Domask is a great example of a guy with proven success who was undervalued by these rankings. Cam Spencer is another good example.

Personally, my takeaway is that proven success (and fit) matters more than anything else. Of course many players are going to improve, but that's unpredictable and they might transfer somewhere else before that ever happens. You can probably afford to take a chance on a high-risk high-ceiling guy here and there, but I wouldn't feel great about a roster full of highly "talented" guys who haven't yet figured out how to translate their talent into results.
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It's tough how apples-to-oranges it is too.

MJ Rice was ranked right ahead of Domask. Big time recruit, did nothing at Kansas as a freshman (but got the high transfer ranking because of his HS pedigree), transferred to NC State, did nothing for a bit then got hurt and redshirted.

Domask was first team All-B1G, how absurd that he was ranked lower!

But MJ Rice has three years left to play. If he's a solid contributor for three years after Domask has left college basketball, was he more valuable after all? If he's a solid contributor for two years then first team All-ACC his final year he certainly will be more valuable, right?

There aren't really "right" answers to these questions.
 
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