Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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JFGsCoffeeMug

BU:1 Trash cans:0
Chicago
How does this compare to other coaches that followed a similar trajectory to Underwood's? Genuinely curious.

1. He coached 3 seasons at Stephen F. Austin, so these are mathematically eliminated.
2. He coached 1 season at Oklahoma State, so that is automatically eliminated.
3. He has coached 7 seasons here at Illinois, but only of those were before COVID, and he inherited some young guys like Frazier and Williams who would stick around for an entire four years ... they just committed to Groce. You have Ayo and Kofi leaving early to go pro, which is objectively good for the program, and then you have the transfer madness.

I do not have time today to analyze this further, but I think that claim is actually ridiculously unhelpful, haha.
Yeah, it's clear some kind of narrative is being crafted here. But the intended purpose behind it remains unclear.
 
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Ncaa Basketball GIF by Fighting Illini Athletics
 
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Please don't tell me Ty will hit the portal. How do you keep culture if it's a completely new team???
 
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They need to stop using the phrase that they are building a culture here at the University!!!
 
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Has nobody here ever left a job for a pay raise or company that was a better fit? This is the game now.

I don't think anyone is blaming the players, but more lamenting the system that enables the free-for-all complete turnover of rosters every season.

If everyone in the business world was on a 1 year contract that just so happened to line up with the contract period for every other company, that would be complete chaos as well.
 
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How does this compare to other coaches that followed a similar trajectory to Underwood's? Genuinely curious.

1. He coached 3 seasons at Stephen F. Austin, so these are mathematically eliminated.
2. He coached 1 season at Oklahoma State, so that is automatically eliminated.
3. He has coached 7 seasons here at Illinois, but only of those were before COVID, and he inherited some young guys like Frazier and Williams who would stick around for an entire four years ... they just committed to Groce. You have Ayo and Kofi leaving early to go pro, which is objectively good for the program, and then you have the transfer madness.

I do not have time today to analyze this further, but I think that claim is actually ridiculously unhelpful, haha.
To be honest, you can't compare this to any coaches in the past. This overlaps with the new portal age. There's roster turnover like crazy everywhere right now. All you can do is compare ours to other schools in the current landscape
 
#239      

dish3

Seattle
Luke did seem to have a steady head and made clutch shots in the tourney. Whether deserved or not, his history at Illinois in my mind is associated with getting a foul within 30 sec of entering the game. Didn't that seem to happen over and over and over again? Do we have stats for that?
 
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I have wondered for weeks whether Ty will be back, because as he enters his Junior season he will in my opinion be very unlikely to be a starter. It's the shooting issue (have to be able to make SOME 3s as a 4-man, these days).

If he transferred, he might find a school where he would start. But if he wants to develop his game for the future, playing won't be what he needs. Somehow, he absolutely must become a good enough shooter to draw some defensive attention when he's on the three-point line. Illinois might be the best place to do that, with a sports psychologist and a coaching staff that is already invested in him.

Perhaps Ty should redshirt this coming season, work on the psychology, mechanics and footwork issues associated with his shooting. He could put this all together by leading the practice unit during daily team practices so that he gets a LOT of game-speeds shots against serious competition (the starters) while helping the team by leading the practice/scout squad so that it provide stiff resistance to the starters.

After a year like that, he might be ready for game-pressure shooting in filled arenas. I have never heard of this sort of thing before, but maybe it has been done. I wouldn't think many guys would go for it.
 
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foby

Bonnaroo Land
Illini are not alone in losing players. (I realize no one has said they are.)
From ESPN

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Then again, who cares about Dookie anyway?
Yeah, but that last sentence though. ;)
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Professional athletes have contracts that dictate a number of years. They can't leave.
Only because they are members of a union that has collectively bargained with the league to establish the right to enforce those contracts as between the teams and US labor law makes such collectively bargained agreements exempt from antitrust law.

But even then a player can leave a long term contract any time they want, it’s just that another NBA team can’t sign them.

And the head of accounting or whatever for the Warriors is free to take the same job with the Lakers whenever they like, because any contractual restriction preventing that is unenforceable in California.

This is the reason people see a union as a probable solution here. All the legal recourse against the NCAA goes out the window the moment a CBA is signed.

(The other thing is whether conferences can regulate (especially if they join forces) where the NCAA can’t. Exactly how courts might look at that is pretty opaque to me, not my area of law.)
 
#247      

Bigtex

DFW
Coach will be judged based on the results of 24-25 team. Results more like 22-23? or more like 23-24?
Orlando joining staff will be the biggest off season acquisition.
A good chance 25-26 will be special or elite, but it assumes that these multi year players (both portal and HS recruited) remain with the program.

I am excited for the future.
 
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How did he get a degree in 3 years? Wow.
Did he take extra classes during the summer?
Not super difficult to do for normal students when you can come in with 40 credits from AP and dual credit classes.

Very impressive when you factor in that he was playing basketball however. And I don't know how common it is but I'd recommend any college athlete actually attempting to get a degree take an online class or two in the summer to keep the workload down during the season(especially spring semester for basketball players).
 
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