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Ozamataz Buckshank
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Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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The intended purpose is Twitter sensationalism to draw a reaction.
The underlying thing important to consider though is that in the "Portal Era" we've had one player that's played out their college career with Illinois. That's just a fact and speaks to retention. Impossible to know what Frazier, Williams, Ayo, Kofi would have done if they had the option to leave after their Freshman year and not sit, since that wasn't the case for them. Kofi did almost leave after his Sophomore year, which would have made no sense given how well he performed and his clear usage on Underwood's team.
2020:
Miller - No
Curbelo - No
Hawkins - Yes
Lieb - No
2021:
Podziemski - No
Melendez - No
Goode - No
2022:
Clark - No
Epps - No
Rodgers - TBD
Harris - No
2023:
Hansberry - No
Gibbs-Lawhorn - No
Perrin - well technically he didn't play college anywhere else... but No
Moretti - TBD
12/15 No
1/15 Yes
2/15 TBD
I don't know how this rate compares with other places that did not have a coaching turnover.
The underlying thing important to consider though is that in the "Portal Era" we've had one player that's played out their college career with Illinois. That's just a fact and speaks to retention. Impossible to know what Frazier, Williams, Ayo, Kofi would have done if they had the option to leave after their Freshman year and not sit, since that wasn't the case for them. Kofi did almost leave after his Sophomore year, which would have made no sense given how well he performed and his clear usage on Underwood's team.
2020:
Miller - No
Curbelo - No
Hawkins - Yes
Lieb - No
2021:
Podziemski - No
Melendez - No
Goode - No
2022:
Clark - No
Epps - No
Rodgers - TBD
Harris - No
2023:
Hansberry - No
Gibbs-Lawhorn - No
Perrin - well technically he didn't play college anywhere else... but No
Moretti - TBD
12/15 No
1/15 Yes
2/15 TBD
I don't know how this rate compares with other places that did not have a coaching turnover.
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Davis has 3 years left and shot better than/similar to goode last year. Davis has 2 years left and brings a more athletic versitile piece than goode. Also like i said we are adding more to that. So yes i think we got better.
Aim high for MBA and get major role on basketball team - I sure he would be starter for either.
The transfer tornado STINKS. Enjoyed watching players develop who were proud Illini. My hired hands beat your hired hands. Not what college sports should be.
Lol. That’s pushing him out.
Maybe I’m just experiencing Deja vu or maybe he did it again but he tweeted this last year didn’t he? I seem to remember conversations on this thread about whether or not it was autocorrect capitalizing “New Jerseys” for him.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
I’m in a strange position of being very rosy on Illini hoops and pitch black on college sports in general, especially football.I'm feeling a bit Gritty today........
Total 180 from 10-15 years ago in both respects.
I am saying things. And yes, I'm sure IL said something along the lines of--we want you to stay.. But actions speak louder than words and by bringing in guys at the same position, Brad's intentions were clear.
And everyone keeps implying that we're bringing in more talented players than the ones who are leaving. My questions stands--are we? For all the talk of Brad cooking, I don't see a huge improvement in talent level from Davis and White. Or from Booth vs. Hansberry.
It’s pushing him out by brining in better talent?
Wanting him to stay as a culture guy/coach on the floor is different than recruiting over him and pretending you want him to stay because you value his basketball talent.
He is going to Rutgers….. great!
Bold assumption. Anyone that doesn't like their Playing Time is likely right back in the Portal. Any teeth to the "one time" so-called rule would help out a lot here.
You don’t!!!
Sad to see Goode go, but I see it just like Grandison....worked his tail off, hung some banners and always was a team guy. Now, he got his degree and I won't begrudge him leaving for anywhere he can get more tick for his final grad year. Illini for life.
Only thing giving me pause is that we were told that U of I has the most NIL in the B1G now, but it's pretty clear that Michigan and OSU have reeled in more high profile transfer targets *so far*. I'm super hyped on Kylan but other than that, it seems like we've brought in high upside/under the radar guys while missing out on our two top targets in Maddox and Storr.
If we keep saying that we're gonna bring in new guys that'll make our current guys think they won't get any minutes, let's hope we actually bring in the kind of studs in that will justify that approach.
Only thing giving me pause is that we were told that U of I has the most NIL in the B1G now, but it's pretty clear that Michigan and OSU have reeled in more high profile transfer targets *so far*. I'm super hyped on Kylan but other than that, it seems like we've brought in high upside/under the radar guys while missing out on our two top targets in Maddox and Storr.
If we keep saying that we're gonna bring in new guys that'll make our current guys think they won't get any minutes, let's hope we actually bring in the kind of studs in that will justify that approach.
“Was”?
I know I'm being naive, but it just doesn't feel right that a college student athlete (with a scholarship) should have more flexibility to come and go at their whim then a professional that supposedly has a players union fighting for their rights.
Eh, feels like splitting hairs in a lot of ways. I see the business-employee relationship as a two way street. If you don't give your employees raises or a real opportunity at promotions or upward mobility, instead opting to bring in experienced people for all those positions year after year at much higher salaries than your own, you might not be "technically" forced out by definition, but it's more a semantic argument than anything. Especially if when the company hired you, they presented the opportunity as one where you will get raises and promotions if you put in the work.
And just to be clear that's not commenting on the good or bad in this approach, just that this does appear to be the business model Brad has chosen. I don't think it's unfair to say that if Brad really wanted Sencire, Luke, and Amani to be back next year, he would have pretty easily figured out a way to do so. But doing so would've limited his alternate options, and he seems to want them to be on the team far more at this point.
i enjoy getting to root for new kids every year. The staff brings in players that are easy to root for. I had no clue who Justin Harmon or Marcus Domask were a year ago, now I’d take a bullet for them.
That worked well for Kentucky ten years ago, and not so much since.
Davis shot worse (3pt%) at a much lower level and his stats will almost certainly go down in the B1G. We'll see on his versatility. I'm a bit skeptical.
No, it’s not. It’s the new recruiting. Should every player feel slighted when coaches sign high rated recruits? That’s their job. The players job is to earn time on the floor.
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