Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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100%, I'm not an insider by any means so I can just go off of what I see....Coleman wants to make sure he's covered $$$ if he doesn't go to draft, he said so in his followup statement.

If the staff did in fact tell him he'd get top shelf NIL $ if he came back.... then why would he even entertain transferring?
Sigh....

He wants to showcase his talents. Playing the 5 doesn't do that.

This is one of the subtle issues with roster construction. Ty probably has a sense of disappointment as to how he was played as well. How many hours until we know he's not in the portal?
 
#377      
100%, I'm not an insider by any means so I can just go off of what I see....Coleman wants to make sure he's covered $$$ if he doesn't go to draft, he said so in his followup statement.

If the staff did in fact tell him he'd get top shelf NIL $ if he came back.... then why would he even entertain transferring?
top shelf NIL $ doesn't guarantee anything. There could be a number of factors: he wants to keep his pro/NBA options open, he could be trying to get more money that what MAY have been offered, he could be trying to play somewhere else that is a better fit or closer to home.
 
#378      
Sorry, but that's crazy. Coleman is the perfect add to any top 10 team to put them over the hump.

He'll know more about our team by the time he pulls out of the draft (if he does). But if we look like an 8 seed after our wheel stops spinning, he'd be crazy to not sign up with a top 10 team for a lot of money.
Maybe my post wasn't clear. I agree with you that Coleman would be a great add for any team, and I agree a top team would pay him a lot of money to try to get him. My point was that, in my opinion, he would still be worth even more to Illinois. Look at the freakout in this thread. If circumstances were such that the highest bid for Coleman's services WASN'T Illinois, half the fanbase would riot and say Brad should have paid him whatever it took.

To sum up, I'd expect blue blood schools to be willing to pay Coleman A LOT for what he brings, but like I said before, I'd be surprised if he wasn't actually worth yet MORE to Illinois. Now, maybe there's a question of whether we could actually afford to pay the price - I have no idea on that front. There was talk of special donors that came forward and offered to pay if Domask or Hawkins came back - not sure if they have a price limit.

(Also, I have no reason to doubt @LvilleILL 's post saying it's still most likely that he goes to the NBA, so this may turn out to all be moot. Finally, for the sake of argument here I'm assuming that Brad can manage to land a true 5 here at some point. That would certainly be a shame if that was a limiting factor in getting Coleman back, but I think Brad and Orlando will come through there.)
 
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#379      
Starting to feel like we don’t have the NIL $ we claim to have?
My feeling is that we have only begun to see the tip of the iceberg in ridiculous NIL. There is no limit to pride and arrogance among the wealthy and being able to buy a NC is intoxicating. Illini may have started the off-season with 3 mil in pledges, but there is not one thing that limits what that pool can become when catering to greed and pride of the wealthy. Common sense is not found in significant portions of that crowd.

The ability of good coaches to recruit EDGs, coach them up, and motivate them to play winning basketball as a team while getting a quality education and maintaining a consistent overall program is becoming less and less important every day....guys (and gals.)

The day will come when the internet is full of posters bragging about their school's ability to match or exceed any offer...while not realizing the stupidity behind it. All the while, the same posters were castigating the SEC and their penchant for million dollar handshakes and bagmen. Hypocrisy has no limits.
 
#380      
Getting TJ back and allowing him to get his degree was a big factor in last years decision after missing on Ray J ...

Coleman did his 4 years ... No one besides Ty is coming back that Coleman is close with ...

It's a completely different situation ...
If CH thinks he will get drafted 2nd round, do you think he goes or come back to college?
 
#381      
With regard to everyone's struggles (including my own) on how to love college sports again given this new world order, I think I personally get there by understanding that we are currently seeing the sausage being made (perhaps borrowing from an earlier observation) ...the ugly, uncomfortable and uncertain part of the business. Once the roster is finalized, the student athletes are on campus, our amazing media relations department works their magic, making touching, personal profile videos, players have bonded with and really gotten to know one another, glimpses of summer practiced have been shared, etc. etc. It will feel like OUR team once again and we'll completely forget about how it was constructed... at least that's my hope. Let's play ball! Go get 'em Brad!
 
#382      
Four years is what we’re traditionally/historically used to, for most of our fandom…but because of Covid it’s changed…

I’m with you to there…
But let me ask you this:

Was it weirder when Trent Frazier played 5 years for us? OR would it have seemed weirder to see Trent playing for Iowa against us his 5th year?

(If it were possible then)
How about Dee or Deron or Nick or Kenny in Michigan or Indiana Jerseys their 5th year?

What is your honest reaction as a fan?
IMO we wouldn’t be fans if it didn’t bother us a little.
Trent and DMFW playing 5 years was weird. It would definitely be worse if Trent was banging 3s against us for Iowa that's for sure.
 
#383      
We might. But we may very well have overestimated our advantage on others. Perhaps it isn't an advantage any more.
I think schools are catching up and not to mention that UK has a lot NIL money to spend.
 
#384      
Is PJ Hall an upgrade of Dainja?

Sebastian Stan Chaos GIF by HULU
We will see after Dain actually gets to play.
 
#385      
If Brad's going to parade CoHawk around at the end of last season as someone who did things the right way and trusted the process and the staff, only for Coleman to transfer because he doesn't like how he was utilized.......then BU sure does have a lot of soul searching to do.

On the brightside, he's consistently shown an ability to always roll with the offseason punches and field a competitive team no matter what so in Brad I still trust!
 
#388      
With regard to everyone's struggles (including my own) on how to love college sports again given this new world order, I think I personally get there by understanding that we are currently seeing the sausage being made (perhaps borrowing from an earlier observation) ...the ugly, uncomfortable and uncertain part of the business. Once the roster is finalized, the student athletes are on campus, our amazing media relations department works their magic, making touching, personal profile videos, players have bonded with and really gotten to know one another, glimpses of summer practiced have been shared, etc. etc. It will feel like OUR team once again and we'll completely forget about how it was constructed... at least that's my hope. Let's play ball! Go get 'em Brad!

Exactly. If you don't like to see the sausage being made, tune out! Then come back in September and see what we have. If you had followed this Board in April of last year, you would have heard doom and gloom about the point guard situation and could have made real money if you bet Illinois was going to the elite 8.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Agreed......NIL but keeping the transfer-sit out rule unless your coach leaves would've been the ideal scenario.

But at the end of the day I think the courts still wouldn't have sided with the NCAA if a player chose to litigate.
I think the issue with the first point indicates the issue with the second.

"Unless your coach leaves" is still emerging from the framework the NCAA itself opened up, that not playing automatically upon transferring is a right of the athlete that is being withheld.

The thing, the ONLY thing, that college athletes have an inalienable moral right to is the fair share of the money their talents bring into the University on the basis of their labor. That's the north star here.

Over the course of the 20th Century the NCAA got a comical amount of leeway to make the "student-athlete" concept stand up as something distinct from an employment relationship in the course of business. Courts and legislatures deferred and deferred and deferred in hopes that the NCAA could create a defensible framework for them to affirm.

All they had to do was cut the kids in on the money. It wouldn't have been easy, it wouldn't have been simple, it wouldn't have solved every problem, but had the organization accepted that the status quo was untenable it could have LED on building a new system that worked.

Instead they panicked, started throwing everything overboard that wasn't "amateurism" and torched their credibility to the ground. They have painted themselves into the corner of being SELF-ACKNOWLEDGED monopolists in the business of college athletics. And part of that process was bedding in the notion that free transfers are an integral component of player rights, in a totally unintentional and path-dependent way.

The system could survive, indeed thrive, with the players getting paid. It would collapse in a decade without any restrictions on player movement. Everyone can see that now, but some of us were saying this in the mid-2000's (and others even before that I'm sure).

It's a spectacular failure of institutional stewardship, and I will continue to beat the drum that it COULD have been different.

Now though, proceeding from where we are? Putting Humpty Dumpty back together again is one heck of a riddle.
 
#398      
Too early to draw conclusions, but yes, that is the question.

A new order is being established in college sports, and for YEARS, from the very beginning, Josh Whitman has been setting up a machine to make us big players in that space, and as we are seeing on the football side, we are being bulldozed into an irrelevant afterthought minnow, reflecting the strength of our football fan community relative to our competition.

The promise of that was our basketball resources would ALSO be reflective of the strength of our fan community on the basketball side, which is for lack of a better word, elite.

Our staff has bet the farm on our power in the basketball NIL space. Orlando Antigua is putting his career in the hands of our power in the basketball NIL space.

The ammo is live, the torpedoes are in the water, it is happening right this moment.

Will our plans survive contact with the enemy? Stay tuned. But the stakes are existential here, there's no downplaying or sugar coating it.
Semi-OT, but the frustrating thing is that the "bones" of a very large, engaged and NIL-donating Illini FOOTBALL fan base are there. Massive alumni base with plenty of money, no direct instate competition for fans, etc. However, our football fan base is largely divided into three groups, from my experience - the absolute diehards who make up the 35k in Memorial Stadium even when we're bad, the more casual fans who swell our crowds up to about 55k when there is hope and the truly fair weather fans whose "favorite team is the Illini" but are not willing to buy in if we are just going to disappoint them.

Unfortunately, the latter two groups are what we N-E-E-D to survive in college football's new landscape, and they are both (perhaps rightfully) intent on the program "showing them wins" before they buy in ... so we are caught in a terrible chicken-and-the-egg scenario. JMO, but we probably have one of the largest number/population discrepancies between our "engaged" fan base and our "latent" fan base in the entire country. MAN, what I would give to have more Illini fans who had the mindset of Texas A&M fans, where it bothered them so much that we weren't yet elite that we would do damn near anything possible to will it to happen, lol.
 
#399      

foby

Bonnaroo Land
I'm no Notre Dame-us or nuttin'. But I see two things......

1) We haven't hit rock bottom in off season NIL and transfer craziness. Next season will be more wild since this is the last year of covid super-seniors (if they don't do #2. I mean my #2, as we all know the NCAA has a history of doing #2 all over everything.)

2) I feel the NCAA will make a rule change that adds a 5th year to reward those who graduate in the 4 year period. I think this whole super senior thing was kind of an experiment, and they'll find a way to keep it permanent soon.
 
#400      
I mean everyone has been saying that. Our insiders, Steven Bardo, I think there was even some chat about it on Trilly's forum. So who knows?
I would think unlocking all the TSJ and Coleman NIL would be huge.
Huh? Literally who has been saying that? Even the more pessimistic rumors I have seen online have reported that Illinois has super good NIL ... it pretty much ranges from "really good" to "top 10 in the country," lol ... obviously I have no idea what the truth is, but "everyone" has been saying the opposite of everything I have ever seen...??
 
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