Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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I liked Kaluma a lot when he was at Creighton. Thought he'd develop quickly into a lotto pick. Seems like the growth slowed down but I'd be happy if we took him. Still a lot of potential with him to be unlocked.
 
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With the slim pickings at center, maybe Aubin Gateretse from Stetson would be worth a look. 11.6/7.6/.8 per game with 1.5 blocks in 24" a game. 6'11"
 
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If Ty wants to stay on the floor vs 5's in drop coverage he needs to be a threat to score. We cannot play 4 on 5. They are leaving him wide open. A reliable free throw line jumper or 3 point shot would solve the problem. Either would work. Since he needs to be around the lane to get offense rebounds I would work on a medium range jumper as it is an easier shot. Nobody complained about the analytics of Marcus scoring 16 ppg at 50% rate in the lane.
 
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NarrowJ

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ChiefGritty said:
The PNR ballhandler thing is bunk, though he will put the ball on the floor which makes his sniping that much deadlier.

I really don't fancy his chances guarding wings though. And he's really big and long, it's a different sort of body than Mayer or especially Knecht.
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What makes it bunk? I'm completely clueless and don't really follow the board during the offseason so much, so certainly not arguing the point, just unsure where the stat came from.
 
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Illini 993 said:
With the slim pickings at center, maybe Aubin Gateretse from Stetson would be worth a look. 11.6/7.6/.8 per game with 1.5 blocks in 24" a game. 6'11"
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Not bad. Reports are Onyenso wants $1M. That to me is just crazy for a guy who does one thing really well, albeit he probably does that one thing better than just about everyone else in the country. I would rather take a guy like this or another similar Omar Payne type player who can do a lot of the same things but probably costs 1/10 as much, allocate the bulk of our $$ on a stud wing, and spend the rest on shooting.
 
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ChiefGritty

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NarrowJ said:
What makes it bunk? I'm completely clueless and don't really follow the board during the offseason so much, so certainly not arguing the point, just unsure where the stat came from.
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The stat came from that video, starting at about the 3 minute mark.

The examples they play are a bunch of him shooting a 3 off of a pin down, and a couple that just aren't even screens at all. But the stat suggests he's Chris Paul or something. He's a capable and heads-up player in the flow of an offense, but no more than that.

That Youtube account does an amazing job cutting clips of the nine trillion guys in the portal and has been an invaluable resource, but I pretty much just ignore the statistical headers which feature weird methodological choices and often don't match the clips.

Anyway, I am caught between liking Humrichous and the fit with what we want to do, and finding the inevitable comparisons with Domask and expectations that he's going to be a star offensive centerpiece to be wildly off base.

We're a long way from where we want to be at the moment.
 
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NarrowJ

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ChiefGritty said:

The stat came from that video, starting at about the 3 minute mark.

The examples they play are a bunch of him shooting a 3 off of a pin down, and a couple that just aren't even screens at all. But the stat suggests he's Chris Paul or something. He's a capable and heads-up player in the flow of an offense, but no more than that.

That Youtube account does an amazing job cutting clips of the nine trillion guys in the portal and has been an invaluable resource, but I pretty much just ignore the statistical headers which feature weird methodological choices and often don't match the clips.

Anyway, I am caught between liking Humrichous and the fit with what we want to do, and finding the inevitable comparisons with Domask and expectations that he's going to be a star offensive centerpiece to be wildly off base.

We're a long way from where we want to be at the moment.
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Excellent, thanks for the run down (and agree we have serious work to do)
 
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LvilleILL

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ChiefGritty said:

The stat came from that video, starting at about the 3 minute mark.

The examples they play are a bunch of him shooting a 3 off of a pin down, and a couple that just aren't even screens at all. But the stat suggests he's Chris Paul or something. He's a capable and heads-up player in the flow of an offense, but no more than that.

That Youtube account does an amazing job cutting clips of the nine trillion guys in the portal and has been an invaluable resource, but I pretty much just ignore the statistical headers which feature weird methodological choices and often don't match the clips.

Anyway, I am caught between liking Humrichous and the fit with what we want to do, and finding the inevitable comparisons with Domask and expectations that he's going to be a star offensive centerpiece to be wildly off base.

We're a long way from where we want to be at the moment.
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Make It Stop The Office GIF

Another offseason of underselling some of our adds
 
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ugottabjoshinme

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ChiefGritty said:
I guess I just kinda don't understand the skepticism that our only returning starter (from a team where he was the only young player with a major role, and now he's not a young player anymore), would continue to be a starter.

If we end up with another 5 that can shoot, I guarantee you he starts.

The idea that he's getting pushed down the bench was predicated on a view of our portal prowess which alas has not survived contact with the real world.


The sweet spot is being able to credibly threaten the defense with midrange shots so they have to guard against that and can't overload against 3's and layups, while in fact taking as few of those shots as possible.

Domask started emphasizing his turnaround more later in the year, and TSJ started mixing in a few free throw line jumpers as teams threw bodies to the rim against him, but that stuff was a sparingly used counter, at least when our offense was playing well.

Tre White could have been a huge star in 2002 playing the way he does, but we don't want him doing that as a key cog in our offense, we want him to make teams guard him out to 3 and finish drives at the rim. He has those abilities, he just needs to refine and emphasize them. Rodgers is a more complex building project.
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The post said starting 2 guard. It's pretty simple, he's not a lead guard.

If you said he started alongside Boswell, a lead guard, HumHouse, and a center that is more plausible. But I'd still guess he comes off the bench.
 
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ChiefGritty

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ugottabjoshinme said:
The post said starting 2 guard. It's pretty simple, he's not a lead guard.

If you said he started alongside Boswell, a lead guard, HumHouse, and a center that is more plausible.
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But Boswell is the lead guard.

Ty Rodgers' position is "Ty Rodgers". He's unique. Call him a "wing" I guess.

LvilleILL said:
Make It Stop The Office GIF

Another offseason of underselling some of our adds
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Check the record. It was the insiders who were marking Domask as a bench player when he committed, and me disagreeing.

What gets coded as "positivity" around here isn't actual faith in anyone in the program, it's the belief that some magical amazing thing is about to arrive, and that the special boys and girls who say their prayers and eat their vegetables will be able to read the tea leaves of the secret magic working in the background. It's exhausting.
 
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LvilleILL

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ChiefGritty said:
But Boswell is the lead guard.

Ty Rodgers' position is "Ty Rodgers". He's unique. Call him a "wing" I guess.


Check the record. It was the insiders who were marking Domask as a bench player when he committed, and me disagreeing.

What gets coded as "positivity" around here isn't actual faith in anyone in the program, it's the belief that some magical amazing thing is about to arrive, and that the special boys and girls who say their prayers and eat their vegetables will be able to read the tea leaves of the secret magic working in the background. It's exhausting.
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If you want me to "check the record", would you like to remember what you were saying last summer about our chances? Let's not go there. Tons of people in here last offseason acted like the world was ending and we weren't a lock to make the tournament because we missed on a point guard
 
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ChiefGritty

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LvilleILL said:
If you want me to "check the record", would you like to remember what you were saying last summer about our chances? Let's not go there. Tons of people in here last offseason acted like the world was ending and we weren't a lock to make the tournament because we missed on a point guard
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Well, let's establish the record here.

Are we a lock to make the tournament right now, as currently constructed?

Or are we a lock to make the tournament after major earth-shaking additions which are about to come?
 
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LvilleILL

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ChiefGritty said:
Well, let's establish the record here.

Are we a lock to make the tournament right now, as currently constructed?

Or are we a lock to make the tournament after major earth-shaking additions which are about to come?
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Right now, I think our roster would be on the inside of the bubble but nothing special. In two to three weeks, it will look a hell of a lot better.
 
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