Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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We will never know and just bc you said so it’s true?? If we believe everything you say our roster is already complete with Storr, Hill, etc
 
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Illini2010-11

Sugar Grove
I think people fail to realize that Coleman not only has a U of I degree, but he has a degree from the Brad Underwood school of basketball. From what I have read, he was running some practices by the end of the year. Coleman has an extremely sharp mind for the game. Brad may not be the guy best suited to challenge him anymore. From a development standpoint it might be best for him to seek another perspective on the game.

I'd much rather he just shoot the heck out of the ball at the combine and make a GM fall in love with him...
So would Coleman.
 
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(1) The NBA spends lavishly on auxiliary initiatives - such as NBA Africa and similar programs, production, lobbying, non-season programming, and community initiatives. NBA teams also invest plenty of funds in private practice facilities, extended travel, nutrition, etc. that are either the same or more than college programs.

(2) there is a big accounting assumption based on how revenue producing sports allow other sports to exist. I get this is a D1-P4 focused board, but many, many schools have adopted a different approach and their sport programs exist with none of them making money.


The issue is not that there isn't enough money flowing into the system. The issue is who is getting that money and how much money they are getting.
I don't really know enough about the system to tell you where all the money goes and I agree with you that the money is going to wrong places(you could say that about Universities in general with their administrative bloat and other non education expenses).

However, the NBA on a per team basis is producing far more revenue and has huge tv contracts and other sources of revenue. Yes, they do have to travel far more and also subsidize the WNBA but I doubt that's proportionally equal to Universities running 19 non revenue sports(Illinois has 21 sports teams) and the expense of doing so(they travel a bunch too).

I'm sure there are other alternatives to funding these other sports but with the how more of our institutions are increasingly influenced by PE or follow a similar thought process I don't know if those alternatives will be deemed viable by Universities.

Also, I would bet that major college facilities are actually nicer than their professional counterparts simply because they don't pay players and had to have the facilities as a recruiting tool.
 
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I was just about to ask for that. I must have watched the Kofi version 30 or 40 times when he was in the portal, would do the same thing with Coleman. In fact, I might watch it a few more with Coleman's highlights...
 
#211      
Yeah let's talk more about Egor.

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Dee would have never been an Illini had this stuff been going on back then.
We can play hypotheticals all we want with NIL had it come to fruition 20 years ago, but I find this argument particularly infuriatingly nonsensical, because if it were true, then:

1. Why did Dee ever stay when Self left, when Self actively tried recruiting him over to Kansas with him, where he clearly had economic incentive to do so? (and according to many sources at the time he was never on the fence about it or even remotely considered it unlike Deron)

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2. Wasn't Self basically already playing this game back then and why we had several high end recruits interested? And why we lost those high end recruits when Self left. Had Self had access to NIL at Illinois 20 years ago, would he really have had no shot getting Dee?

I mean this Dee would have never come here or stayed an Illini seems like an incredible strawman argument to me, especially since he had a significant opportunity to no longer play here for more money at Kansas. And it also assumes Self wouldn't have had NIL but other schools would have when recruiting Dee. I just don't get this take.

Dee's an Illini for life because he proved it. It's really that simple.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
it’s much easier to compete when the annual take was 10-15,000 per year .

now it’s 100x that
 
#217      

Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
I’m all for getting a couple foreign players on the team , but for many reasons , I don’t want our team to be an all star team of euro players .

it just isn’t the same to me .
does that make me seem weird ?
 
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CoHawk already made it pretty dang clear he will not go to another B1G team or Miznoz. Kinda threw shade at Goode for doing it.
I doubt he does too, but all it takes is one bored rich alum from a rival school who likes to stir the pot and decides to offer Coleman double his market NIL rate... just for sh!ts and giggles. Mizzou is awash in stupid levels of NIL money, and one of the Waltons could decide to do just that, pocket change to them, and there's absolutely nothing stopping them.
 
#220      
I have been wondering about this issue too when NIL and Portalization began to take off. Universities have not really been providing scholarship funds so much as as they redirect a fraction of football and men's basketball earnings to provide scholarships for athletes in non-revenue-generating sports. Or is that incorrect?

I guess as long as boosters and donors keep giving cash to the athletic departments for football and basketball NIL (and some sure seem to be willing to fork over a lot right now) there won't be issues with Title IX or with reducing the number of scholars.

This isn't quite how NIL was supposed to work, I think. I'd be interested in reading a summary of the economic rationale for the bizarre stew that NCAA D1 sports is serving up these days. I mean a summary from the point of view of asking whether the present system can be justified as fair, reasonable and a social good. (OK, I realize it is obviously good if our team comes out ahead regardless of fairness or reasonableness. /s)
 
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Am I remembering a mere rumor, or was it indeed the case that mama Brown told Kansas-transferring Dee that he wasn't going to be leaving the Illini? I like that kind of parent :)
 
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