Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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strobes77

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Indy Illini Fan said:
That's the question ... I think Brad likes the group we have ... If we want to push for Monsanto, he'd be ours and he would not cost a fortune at all ...

If I am Brad and I have told this to Brad ... There is such a thing as too many guys ... But we are already leaving one ride open ... Jakstys is going to redshirt ...

I see no problem having 11 guys ... Monsanto is a bucket and brings something everyone can agree you can NEVER have enough of ... Shooting ...

He's an old kid who knows what his role would be and would accept it ...

He's a no brainer add no matter who we get IMO ... But I ain't Brad ... 🤷‍♂️
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What value is there redshirting Jakstys? He’s not going to be here in year 5. There is no way. If you are going to redshirt people, you can afford to fill the whole roster.

We do need two more playmakers in my view. An instant impact guy and a high ceiling type.
 
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I lost Kofi's blue binder said:
Lathon is solid, but man, it’s quite a fall from “proven high-major producer” to “second-best player on a low-major.” Everyone was excited when it appeared close to a sure thing Illinois would get the former as its star wing. Now the mere suggestion that the latter would be disappointing summons elicits ten follow-up posts of “actually his stats in the OVC were very similar to Star Wing’s stats in the Big Ten/ACC/etc.” as if that’s particularly meaningful. Hmm.
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The stated reasons:

Cheaper
Better fit
Gaslighting
Acceptance
 
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Emerson Bigguns

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strobes77 said:
What value is there redshirting Jakstys? He’s not going to be here in year 5. There is no way. If you are going to redshirt people, you can afford to fill the whole roster.

We do need two more playmakers in my view. An instant impact guy and a high ceiling type.
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At minimum you have someone who is pretty talented to work against in practice. He isn’t a threat to take anyone’s minutes, and I can’t imagine his NIL deal amounts to much more than a U of I education and top notch coaching and facilities.
 
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strobes77 said:
What value is there redshirting Jakstys? He’s not going to be here in year 5. There is no way. If you are going to redshirt people, you can afford to fill the whole roster.

We do need two more playmakers in my view. An instant impact guy and a high ceiling type.
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Lol why won't he necessarily be here in year 5? Seems unlikely in the current landscape but who knows.

Also, you have to do right by the kid. He's not going to play this year and an additional year of CBB has a tangible financial impact if he becomes a decent college player.
 
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Illini 993

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IlliniFanTX said:
This could be complete nonsense on my part... but is it possible he's a grad transfer at this point? 4 years of "normal" school (granted at 3 spots), and then this is his grad year?
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I found an Ohio Valley basketball report from December 27, 2023 that shows Lathon was a grad transfer last year.
"Jordan Lathon, G • 6-5, 195, Grad. • Grandview, Mo. • Morehead State
Lathon erupted for a career-high 30 points as Morehead State nearly upset Big Ten for Indiana, falling 69-68. The grad student hit 11-of-21 field goals, including 6-of-10 3-pointers in 31 minutes of action."
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OVC Men's Basketball Report - December 27

• OVC Men's Basketball Report - December 27 (PDF)
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OrangeKrush1981

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PepeSilvia said:
Don't think we have a prayer of getting him but Dybantsa is special. He's a better prospect than Flagg and maybe the best prep prospect in decade imo.
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No way I am disagreeing with this assessment, as I share it. But .... fatboy slim, I mean Nikola Jokic, was a second-round pick (41st overall). Clearly no one knew what cubby-wubby, non-athlete, foreigner-dude could become. Nuggets (my pro team) got lucky as sin. Or in fact they had an INKLING, but still: they had no idea what they really had. Of if they did, they'd have drafted him earlier: no one leaves a 3-time MVP on the table for someone else to draft.

Point being? Eval is hard? No, though that is certainly true.

My actual point is that all development is really in the hands of the guy/gal in question. Coaching, parenting etc matters HUGELY. But in the end, it's the person. Nikola Jokic's older brothers were never even the dimmest, dimmest shadow of what the 3-time NBA MVP is. It is the person that matters. Character, character, character, and character.
 
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Illiniguy13

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I lost Kofi's blue binder said:
Lathon is solid, but man, it’s quite a fall from “proven high-major producer” to “second-best player on a low-major.” Everyone was excited when it appeared close to a sure thing Illinois would get the former as its star wing. Now the mere suggestion that the latter would be disappointing summons elicits ten follow-up posts of “actually his stats in the OVC were very similar to Star Wing’s stats in the Big Ten/ACC/etc.” as if that’s particularly meaningful. Hmm.
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From the words of our former overlord Obelix - "Recruiting success is not determined by who you miss on, it's determined by who you end up with". This whole notion of disappointment really only exists if you believed AJ Storr was absolutely ours. I completely understand that was a narrative pushed here by credible posters with a level of confidence, but something something recruiting is fluid. Just another way of looking at all this - If we end up with Jordan Lathon, I think he'd be our 3rd best transfer? That doesn't sound too bad 🤷‍♂️
 
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I lost Kofi's blue binder

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Illiniguy13 said:
From the words of our former overlord Obelix - "Recruiting success is not determined by who you miss on, it's determined by who you end up with". This whole notion of disappointment really only exists if you believed AJ Storr was absolutely ours. I completely understand that was a narrative pushed here by credible posters with a level of confidence, but something something recruiting is fluid. Just another way of looking at all this - If we end up with Jordan Lathon, I think he'd be our 3rd best transfer? That doesn't sound too bad 🤷‍♂️
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Totally get it. But another way of looking at it—and I think the fairer, less orange-colored glasses way to look at it, since a star wing was the biggest hole on the roster and the chief focus of the offseason—is that you’d be filling a star’s slot with your third-best transfer. Which isn’t great.
 
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Trueblue777

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PepeSilvia said:
I don't really get it. Also any idea why he didn't play in the COVID year?

But if he gets to play another year then Domask should have gotten a medical waiver for that year.
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Totally different set of circumstances, Lathon played 0 games due to a preseason injury. Domask played 10 games at the end of the season. Southern played 26 games that year with 5 cancelled due to Covid. NCAA ruled not to count the 5 Covid games thus Domask played in more than a third of the games. 10 out of 26 as opposed to 10 out of 31. Therefore he played in more than a third of Southern’s games. This was discussed a month ago on here once the ruling came down
 
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HensonHall71

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soupy17 said:
It must be some combination of having one year lost due to the old transfer rules and another lost completely to injury, with the COVID season being his forced sit. So his case is "you forced me to sit the year that would have been free so I would like it back" combined with a medical redshirt case. Compared to Domask who's grounds for a medical redshirt had to be argued instead of being cut and dry missed the full season.

Certainly no expert, and like you said I haven't seen it confirmed, but to me it's a different and stronger case than Marcus's.
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This is correct- totally different situation than Domask- Lathon has only played 4 years, he gets to play 5 so he was likely granted his 5th year

Domask didn’t meet the threshold of a Medical redshirt so he wasnt granted a 6th year after he already played 5 years
 
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Illiniguy13

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I lost Kofi's blue binder said:
Totally get it. But another way of looking at it—and I think the fairer, less orange-colored glasses way to look at it, since a star wing was the biggest hole on the roster and the chief focus of the offseason—is that you’d be filling a star’s slot with your third-best transfer. Which isn’t great.
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I wouldn’t say this is a straight player replacement/swap by any means. Replacing TSJ perhaps was the biggest hole & focus of the offseason until the whole dang team transferred out. Brad has a whole new team to build, not just a star wing to replace. It’s the weird reality of modern college basketball. People can call it overly optimistic as much as they want, there is more than enough evidence to believe Brad is extremely well suited to adapt and find ways to win despite not landing plan A or plan B.
 
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Deacon05

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Trueblue777 said:
Totally different set of circumstances, Lathon played 0 games due to a preseason injury. Domask played 10 games at the end of the season. Southern played 26 games that year with 5 cancelled due to Covid. NCAA ruled not to count the 5 Covid games thus Domask played in more than a third of the games. 10 out of 26 as opposed to 10 out of 31. Therefore he played in more than a third of Southern’s games. This was discussed a month ago on here once the ruling came down
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Mostly correct, except for Domask didn't play the 10 games at the end of the season. If he would have played 1 game past the midpoint of the season he would have ben denied for that reason alone.
 
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Quasimodo101

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Fly Illini Fly! said:
His dad was on X talking about the possibility of him playing this upcoming season. So he won't play this upcoming season even if he enrolls mid year? Really? Well...umm...I'm okay with that then I guess...asteĥ

I'm fine with that but...I mean...this would've been pretty good:

Guards: Kylan, DGL, Fears
Wings: Watkins, Ty, Tre
4s: Ben, Morez, Booth
5s: Tomislav
Limited minutes/redshirt: Davis, Jakstys.
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When you have the talent of Fears and Morez, how much of that 4 years are you willing to waste on the beach? I want the spring redshirt. Then Fears can bring Dybansa with him and they can play together with Morez 😜
 
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Quasimodo101

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I lost Kofi's blue binder said:
Totally get it. But another way of looking at it—and I think the fairer, less orange-colored glasses way to look at it, since a star wing was the biggest hole on the roster and the chief focus of the offseason—is that you’d be filling a star’s slot with your third-best transfer. Which isn’t great.
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So what your saying is, the glass is 1/3 full?
 
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