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Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo has criticized NIL and the transfer portal in the past and doubled down on his stance during an interview with Big Ten Network on Friday. Izzo shook his head at players transferring "3-4 times" and argued for a cap on NIL earnings for student-athletes.
"I'm not a fan of the transfer rule," Izzo said. "If that hurts me in recruiting, that's a shame. It should help me. I look at these kids; not every place is for everybody. But when you're transferring 3-4 times, I wonder what that's going to be like for those kids later on in life? Every student needs a place to go back to. They're going to be going back to four different places? They ain't going to be embraced by all those people.
"I always believed players should get more money, but it went to more money than you and I make. I don't think that's right. Paying your dues and going through things is what's going to make you better in the long run."
Tom Izzo 'not a fan' of transfer portal, argues against players making more money than him via NIL
The Michigan State basketball coach has problems with the current state of college athletics.
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Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo has criticized NIL and the transfer portal in the past and doubled down on his stance during an interview with Big Ten Network on Friday. Izzo shook his head at players transferring "3-4 times" and argued for a cap on NIL earnings for student-athletes.
"I'm not a fan of the transfer rule," Izzo said. "If that hurts me in recruiting, that's a shame. It should help me. I look at these kids; not every place is for everybody. But when you're transferring 3-4 times, I wonder what that's going to be like for those kids later on in life? Every student needs a place to go back to. They're going to be going back to four different places? They ain't going to be embraced by all those people.
"I always believed players should get more money, but it went to more money than you and I make. I don't think that's right. Paying your dues and going through things is what's going to make you better in the long run."
We've got more experience than people think. Boswell, Tre, Ty and Ben have at least two years of major college competition. KJ and Ivisic are battle tested after playing many games against high level Euro league teams. That's six years right there. Davis, DGL and Booth are sophomores. Riley is the only true freshman. This amount of experience IMO will bring these guys together pretty fast. I'm expecting a very good team this year, especially by the time we get into December.
biglug58
- Chicago, IL
Typical whiny Izzo. He needs to adapt, like Brad and staff have. I agree with the loyalty aspect, but this is the new normal, at least for now. Get with the program Tom! Or maybe not lol.AGREE/DISAGREE
Tom Izzo 'not a fan' of transfer portal, argues against players making more money than him via NIL
The Michigan State basketball coach has problems with the current state of college athletics.
Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo has criticized NIL and the transfer portal in the past and doubled down on his stance during an interview with Big Ten Network on Friday. Izzo shook his head at players transferring "3-4 times" and argued for a cap on NIL earnings for student-athletes.
"I'm not a fan of the transfer rule," Izzo said. "If that hurts me in recruiting, that's a shame. It should help me. I look at these kids; not every place is for everybody. But when you're transferring 3-4 times, I wonder what that's going to be like for those kids later on in life? Every student needs a place to go back to. They're going to be going back to four different places? They ain't going to be embraced by all those people.
"I always believed players should get more money, but it went to more money than you and I make. I don't think that's right. Paying your dues and going through things is what's going to make you better in the long run."
Hate to nitpick, but I will. Ben only has one year of major college experience — and one could argue how “major.” Also, I think there are two guys who might take umbrage to your statement that there is only one true freshmen — especially the one with the gold medal. That said, I’m not particularly worried about overall experience of this team. Experience playing together is another thing, but I think they’ll figure it out.
You do have to adapt to the current recruiting world as it is but there does need to be a cap as well as a one time free transfer limit. Posters on here are stating the value of some of our recruits because they have multiple years of eligibility. That doesn't mean crap anymore. There is no guarantee any of them is going to stay more than one year under the current system. It is going to do nothing but get worse unless they can rein it in.
I’m not a fan of the new normal at all, but it is what it is. Adapt or get left behind. Our staff has adjusted very well and, most importantly, they have learned from their mistakes.AGREE/DISAGREE
Tom Izzo 'not a fan' of transfer portal, argues against players making more money than him via NIL
The Michigan State basketball coach has problems with the current state of college athletics.
Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo has criticized NIL and the transfer portal in the past and doubled down on his stance during an interview with Big Ten Network on Friday. Izzo shook his head at players transferring "3-4 times" and argued for a cap on NIL earnings for student-athletes.
"I'm not a fan of the transfer rule," Izzo said. "If that hurts me in recruiting, that's a shame. It should help me. I look at these kids; not every place is for everybody. But when you're transferring 3-4 times, I wonder what that's going to be like for those kids later on in life? Every student needs a place to go back to. They're going to be going back to four different places? They ain't going to be embraced by all those people.
"I always believed players should get more money, but it went to more money than you and I make. I don't think that's right. Paying your dues and going through things is what's going to make you better in the long run."
I love the idea of adjusting the transfer rule. You get one “free” one where you can transfer immediately without sitting out a year. Any transfer after the first one you have to sit.
If they don’t make an adjustment, you’re going to have every team become Duke where you have 10 guys enter the portal every year.
No reason not to if you are the player. Hawkins admitted he screwed up by not doing all this last year.
Wow. Where is the 6.2 million NIL deal? That's Izzo's salary.AGREE/DISAGREE
Tom Izzo 'not a fan' of transfer portal, argues against players making more money than him via NIL
The Michigan State basketball coach has problems with the current state of college athletics.
Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo has criticized NIL and the transfer portal in the past and doubled down on his stance during an interview with Big Ten Network on Friday. Izzo shook his head at players transferring "3-4 times" and argued for a cap on NIL earnings for student-athletes.
"I'm not a fan of the transfer rule," Izzo said. "If that hurts me in recruiting, that's a shame. It should help me. I look at these kids; not every place is for everybody. But when you're transferring 3-4 times, I wonder what that's going to be like for those kids later on in life? Every student needs a place to go back to. They're going to be going back to four different places? They ain't going to be embraced by all those people.
"I always believed players should get more money, but it went to more money than you and I make. I don't think that's right. Paying your dues and going through things is what's going to make you better in the long run."
I think we need a way to get longer commitments. He's not wrong there.
But it does make me wonder when we're going to see reduced coaching salaries to fund higher player salaries.
MDchicago
- Lake Norman NC
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Tom Izzo 'not a fan' of transfer portal, argues against players making more money than him via NIL
The Michigan State basketball coach has problems with the current state of college athletics.
Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo has criticized NIL and the transfer portal in the past and doubled down on his stance during an interview with Big Ten Network on Friday. Izzo shook his head at players transferring "3-4 times" and argued for a cap on NIL earnings for student-athletes....
"I always believed players should get more money, but it went to more money than you and I make. I don't think that's right. Paying your dues and going through things is what's going to make you better in the long run."
Izzo is half right on the bolded part.
The highest reported NIL signing for a NCAA hoops player is still less an a third of what Izzo is making this year (unless he is referring to total NIL payments and believes the coach should get more than all of his players combined.)
His salary cap proposal apparently would only apply to players, and is fundamentally flawed in that it would return to a world of rewarding those willing to cheat the system and punish those who do not. For all its flaws, the one big positive of the current system (in general and for our program) is that it largely avoids that fundamental flaw.
Lets bring back the days of World Wide Wes, bag men, Illinois Ethics champs and being a perennial bubble team. No thanks!
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RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
There is no adjusting the transfer rule. The court has ruled that limiting a player’s transfer options is illegal. This is the new normal until players become employees, form a collective bargaining union and can be under multi-year contracts.
Izzo is "not a fan of the transfer portal" because he has failed to adjust and his dominance of the Big Ten has come to an end.AGREE/DISAGREE
Tom Izzo 'not a fan' of transfer portal, argues against players making more money than him via NIL
The Michigan State basketball coach has problems with the current state of college athletics.
Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo has criticized NIL and the transfer portal in the past and doubled down on his stance during an interview with Big Ten Network on Friday. Izzo shook his head at players transferring "3-4 times" and argued for a cap on NIL earnings for student-athletes.
"I'm not a fan of the transfer rule," Izzo said. "If that hurts me in recruiting, that's a shame. It should help me. I look at these kids; not every place is for everybody. But when you're transferring 3-4 times, I wonder what that's going to be like for those kids later on in life? Every student needs a place to go back to. They're going to be going back to four different places? They ain't going to be embraced by all those people.
"I always believed players should get more money, but it went to more money than you and I make. I don't think that's right. Paying your dues and going through things is what's going to make you better in the long run."
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Tom Izzo 'not a fan' of transfer portal, argues against players making more money than him via NIL
The Michigan State basketball coach has problems with the current state of college athletics.
Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo has criticized NIL and the transfer portal in the past and doubled down on his stance during an interview with Big Ten Network on Friday. Izzo shook his head at players transferring "3-4 times" and argued for a cap on NIL earnings for student-athletes.
"I'm not a fan of the transfer rule," Izzo said. "If that hurts me in recruiting, that's a shame. It should help me. I look at these kids; not every place is for everybody. But when you're transferring 3-4 times, I wonder what that's going to be like for those kids later on in life? Every student needs a place to go back to. They're going to be going back to four different places? They ain't going to be embraced by all those people.
"I always believed players should get more money, but it went to more money than you and I make. I don't think that's right. Paying your dues and going through things is what's going to make you better in the long run."
Any regular student can transfer schools every year if they think it’s in their best interest. Any regular student can make as much money as they want on their NIL without it being capped.
The players are students right? Cause if we start putting salary structures in place and signing them to contracts they sound a whole lot like employees now.
That was my thought- Izzo complaining about the system and money in the sport with his $6.2M salary is a bit hypocritical. He wants to control players for longer but he gets to leave whenever a better deal comes along- surely he sees that
Was not aware. Thank you for the info.
Then every offseason is going to be wild. Just have to accept it.Well yes. Plenty of hypocrisy here. At the same time he has a multi-year contract. Right now the lack of contracts for multiple years is the biggest issue.
RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
Yup. And starting soon (maybe next season?) players will share in the revenue they generate — up to $22 million across all sports, but mostly directed toward football and men’s basketball. How individual schools divvy that up will likely serve as an incentive or disincentive for recruits. And it will do nothing to curb the current NIL structure.Was not aware. Thank you for the info.
Nobody is getting more in NIL that Izzo makes. Come on man...AGREE/DISAGREE
Tom Izzo 'not a fan' of transfer portal, argues against players making more money than him via NIL
The Michigan State basketball coach has problems with the current state of college athletics.
Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo has criticized NIL and the transfer portal in the past and doubled down on his stance during an interview with Big Ten Network on Friday. Izzo shook his head at players transferring "3-4 times" and argued for a cap on NIL earnings for student-athletes.
"I'm not a fan of the transfer rule," Izzo said. "If that hurts me in recruiting, that's a shame. It should help me. I look at these kids; not every place is for everybody. But when you're transferring 3-4 times, I wonder what that's going to be like for those kids later on in life? Every student needs a place to go back to. They're going to be going back to four different places? They ain't going to be embraced by all those people.
"I always believed players should get more money, but it went to more money than you and I make. I don't think that's right. Paying your dues and going through things is what's going to make you better in the long run."
You know what? I’m just going to sit back and enjoy watching these guys play. We’re going to get up and down and play a very entertaining style of basketball. We’ll worry about April when the time comes.
Thankfully, we have a staff that is very adept at using every conceivable outlet to accrue talent.
Having TSJ go in the first round certainly doesn’t hurt Brad’s pitch to potential recruits, wherever they may come from.
Personally, I’d deploy some resources to France.
He may be whiny, but he's not entirely wrong.
How many enter the portal and stay there? IOW, how many get no offers at all and wind up without a place to play?
Already happening in football.
And give it a few years, and it will be happening in basketball too...if things do not change.
Multiple players in the SEC for football are already getting these kinds of deals …
Cooper Flagg got quite the deal to go to Duke … Not quite 6.2 but more than every coach in America but 10 or 15 …
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