Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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himynameisJoseph
Second place is 1st loser said:
I went to their shoot around last Thursday (game on Friday) and to me, it looked like the ball still had a poor rotation and didn't look great, but heck.....if he makes one three, it would be more than he would have even taken his sophomore year, when he didn't bother to even look at the rim.

I love Ty, but on a great team at the high D1 level.....he's a glue guy off the bench at best. He'd have an extremely defined role. It could be that he came to that logical conclusion himself? My assumption is that Brad definitely sees value in him being on a really good roster, but his niche is going to be defense, physicality, nastiness, toughness, rebound on both ends, get some greasy buckets and be a leader.

There's a TON of value in that, but in taking on that role, you're pretty much accepting that you're not an NBA player. You're value comes with being a Damonte Williams type bad a$$. Those types of guys are critical to winning championships, but not a lot want to take the role on.
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Are there shoot arounds and practices open to the public? How does find out when such things are taking place?? I work steps from Ubben and would love to pop in to catch some out-of-season hoops!
 
#627      
genxrex
Poe's Law said:
Offensively, he consistently comes hard off the screen looking to shoot.

Defensively is where he’s not really the type I go for because he frequently gives up the backdoor.
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Not kidding, 40 years ago high school biology test question: What is coitus interruptus? My best friend writes "it's when you pull up for the jump shot instead of following through to the hole." Male biology teacher marked it wrong and took points lol
 
#628      
PepeSilvia
I mean yeah if you have a good and complete enough roster sure I just don't know if I see it with that group. Richardson kind of became that guy for MSU down the stretch minus this last game against New Mexico, but I don't think the Big10 had a truly elite team in it this year.

Also, I'd argue UConn benefitted from running the best offense in college but also having a generational rim protector in Clingan.

Also, nothing against Brad but I don't think he is in the same class as Hurley or Izzo as an X's and O's coach. Brad is more of win by being more talented and dominating the glass.
 
#630      
CoalCity
The Dying Illini said:
Tre strikes me as a player who benefitted from being in a winning program and being surrounded by great people/players/coaches.

The midseason alleged argument with Brad likely put a lot into perspective for him and made him better as not only a player but a leader that this team desperately needs alongside Kylan and Tomi.

His attitude coming out of that DNP streak was night and day difference and his interviews towards the end of the season signaled he had grown a lot in a short amount of time.

What I would covet about Tre (assuming the price is right for him) is that even with declined usage he has gotten better in core areas - IE defensive rebounding%, FT Rate, FT %, 2pt % and 3pt %.

If he continues that streak and stays as a low usage high impact player it will be really hard to keep him off court. He is exactly what Brad wants in that type of player, best athlete on the team (outside of DGL in terms of pure athleticism), does not need offense run through him and has high defensive potential at his size 6'7".

Personally I believe Tre's retention is as important for continuity, culture and toughness as Tomi and Kylan.

Just my two cents tho.
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Couldnt agree more
 
#631      
3nDGuy
Good morning loyalty!

Here is a fun game using #advancedstats.. Here are four basketball players and their Offensive Ratings and Defensive Ratings based on 100 possessions - from this season.. All bringing a similar skill set to the table (similar size and position as well).. Let's see if we can guess whos' who shall we??

Player A - ORtg 115.5 / DRtg 113.6 (+1.9) / NIL Price - $$$ (guessing)

Player B - ORtg 124.0 / DRtg 115.0 (+9.0) / NIL Price - $$$

Player C - ORtg 128.2 / DRtg 107.8 (+20.4) / NIL Price - $

Player D - ORtg 119.0 / DRtg 109.2 (+9.8) / NIL Price - $

If you need a reference point - Here are the numbers for Tre White last season..
ORtg 127.3 / DRtg 104.2 (+22.9) / NIL Price - $$
 
#632      
Thompson1
Gregjacksonfan said:
We were playing our best basketball with Tomi and Morez starting. If Morez doesn’t start he will be gone
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Completely disagree, we played our best ball vs Arkansas, Oregon, Indiana, Michigan, Xavier. Those games Morez was a change of pace back up big or didn’t even play. Our offense is 5 out. Obviously Morez is great in the dunkers spot but our ceiling is capped with Morez on the floor compared to Coleman type at the 4. Obviously Morez is extremely valuable and you have to keep him at all costs but him starting contradicts our offensive scheme a little
 
#635      
NarrowJ
HensonHall71 said:
I hear what you are saying as well as in your other post- you are looking for the “go-to clear #1 guy” to feel like it’s a final four team. That’s where we disagree, I think if you have a team of “A” players, all of whom can go get you a bucket and have some “dog” in them, you can win with that- UConn didn’t have one go to guy last year and they dominated, MSU didn’t have that this year and won the big ten easily. KJ was that for us this year but we also lost because of him.

I think I’m also just higher on a lot of the players we have coming back- KJ, Tre, Tomi, Dix can all go get you a bucket when you need one. And I think Sarr can be a Star. You can never predict the adjustment it will take a player coming over but he’s a year more experienced than KJ was coming over and already playing with grown men
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I just don't get how Watkins is this can't-miss superstar who is going to carry us to a F4. His team went 17-15 and 8-12 in the ACC and he isn't even on any draft mocks that I've seen. You put him on Illinois and he isn't averaging 18 points a game, he is probably fighting Tre for a starting spot, who by the way, is mocked in the mid 2nd round on some sites currently.

Knowing we are getting a core back is better, to me, than adding a guy who ballhogged on a bad team.
 
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GoodePodzMelendez
Second place is 1st loser said:
This comment is going to veer off into a recruiting direction that's a little more vague, but it's worthy to bring up. The portal has indirectly hurt the NCAA Tournament. Its happening this year and it will be similar going forward, but the tournament is going to turn into picking chalks.

Not one seed below 12 won a game and most of the first round games between the higher and lower seeds were blowouts. I don't think that there was a 13 or 14 seed that was remotely competitive, which is the best part of the whole event.

The teams with the top NIL dollars are going to fill out the higher seeds and the mid to low majors will continue to be a farm system for the big guys, thus weakening the ability of the lower seeds

I think the days of having multiple 5 seeds and lower in the sweet 16 and elite 8 are over. Arkansas is the lowest seeded team left and they're loaded with talent and a ball of fame coach that's bringing it together.

I think that the horses are out of the barn now, just just as well flex out money muscles as well and load up.

This has killed college football. Just hoping it doesn't do the same to basketball.
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I agree, the days of St Peter’s, VCU’s, FDU and other small schools making any kind of run in the tournament has taken a hit. This is the closest to chalk we have seen in a long time if ever. The Cinderella stories are now on life support.
 
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Homecoming 2019
3nDGuy said:
Good morning loyalty!

Here is a fun game using #advancedstats.. Here are four basketball players and their Offensive Ratings and Defensive Ratings based on 100 possessions - from this season.. All bringing a similar skill set to the table (similar size and position as well).. Let's see if we can guess whos' who shall we??

Player A - ORtg 115.5 / DRtg 113.6 (+1.9) / NIL Price - $$$ (guessing)

Player B - ORtg 124.0 / DRtg 115.0 (+9.0) / NIL Price - $$$

Player C - ORtg 128.2 / DRtg 107.8 (+20.4) / NIL Price - $

Player D - ORtg 119.0 / DRtg 109.2 (+9.8) / NIL Price - $

If you need a reference point - Here are the numbers for Tre White last season..
ORtg 127.3 / DRtg 104.2 (+22.9) / NIL Price - $$
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Gonna need minutes and position, and team ORtg and DRtg. These all influence this greatly.
 
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HailtotheChief
Brosky said:
I love Morez. But he's not a threat to score beyond five feet. He doesn't have a face-up game and never will. He's a center.
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Was Rodman a center? No the was Bill Cartright ir others. Was who is often compared to in Ben Wallacr a center? No they weren't. When you look then up the arrow listed as power forwards. Power forwards can place down low and get put backs. That doesn't mean they are centers. Rez is a power forward that can play the 5 and Tomi is a stretch 5. Morez is listed on ESPN as a forward. So we can disagree with you. It's fine.
 
#642      
JBfor3
Is it just me or is Tre White not as impactful as this board is stating. I don't think he's a starter on a big ten winning team. Inconsistent, can get tunnel vision with the ball and take bad shots, and shoots an average % from deep.
 
#643      
robertgoulet
HailtotheChief said:
Was Rodman a center? No the was Bill Cartright ir others. Was who is often compared to in Ben Wallacr a center? No they weren't. When you look then up the arrow listed as power forwards. Power forwards can place down low and get put backs. That doesn't mean they are centers. Rez is a power forward that can play the 5 and Tomi is a stretch 5. Morez is listed on ESPN as a forward. So we can disagree with you. It's fine.
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Different eras.
 
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Illiniam1984
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#645      
Boskydell
HensonHall71 said:
I mean, if we have
PG - Boswell, Sr. our best player in March, best on ball defender
SG - Dix, Sr. over 57% shooter on 2's and 43% shooter from 3 and averaged over 14ppg in the big ten as a Jr. with 2.8 Asst and 0.8 TO per game
SF - White, Sr. double digit scorer, excellent rebounder and defender
PF - Morez, So, best rebounder in the big ten next year, offense will only get better
C - Tomi, Jr. best Center in the Big Ten next year, 35% 3 pt shooting, double - double threat every game
Bench - Dame Sarr, SF- NBA talent very athletic wing, C - Big Z, Jr. - nearly 2 blocks per game, good 3 pt shooter and rim protector, Davis - 3 pt specialist

Respectfully, I disagree, that team is winning the big ten and is a national title contender from the jump. It's very similar to the talent level of this years team with a year more experience for everyone and replacing KJ with a senior who is a lights out shooter. Sarr isn't the scorer Will is, but much more athletic and better defensively. Big Z is a huge upgrade to the frontcourt. This would be the dream scenario, Dix and Big Z would be "big splash" portal additions - Dix has every big time program after him right now. If it's McKneely instead of Dix, my feeling is the same
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That team is one KB injury away from being rudderless. Really need another pg.
 
#647      
HensonHall71
3nDGuy said:
Good morning loyalty!

Here is a fun game using #advancedstats.. Here are four basketball players and their Offensive Ratings and Defensive Ratings based on 100 possessions - from this season.. All bringing a similar skill set to the table (similar size and position as well).. Let's see if we can guess whos' who shall we??

Player A - ORtg 115.5 / DRtg 113.6 (+1.9) / NIL Price - $$$ (guessing)

Player B - ORtg 124.0 / DRtg 115.0 (+9.0) / NIL Price - $$$

Player C - ORtg 128.2 / DRtg 107.8 (+20.4) / NIL Price - $

Player D - ORtg 119.0 / DRtg 109.2 (+9.8) / NIL Price - $

If you need a reference point - Here are the numbers for Tre White last season..
ORtg 127.3 / DRtg 104.2 (+22.9) / NIL Price - $$
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I like these-
I’m guessing player B is Dix, I know his defensive stats are not good as well as the eye test
Player A McKneely given he’s the other sought after one were discussing?
Is player D Jacari white or someone like that
Player C - I have no idea but probably a small conference guy given his stats are so good but he’s cheap- these stats don’t adjust for competition but we should definitely look at this guy

I also had no idea how efficient of an offensive player Tre was this year - we should definitely want him back
 
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SummerofGeorge
EyeoftheIllini said:
I think a lot of folks are forgetting he chose not to play this year. Wasn’t going to get the role he thought he deserved, and rather than leaving it all on the floor competing for minutes like the EDG everyone likes to say he is, he left his butt on the bench instead. Presumably, he didn’t have an issue collecting his NIL money though.
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If all that is true then I would share the same sentiment. I’m just not sure it was his decision.
 
#650      
HailtotheChief
Espn list morez as what he is. He can't guard good centers. If he is our starting center on D then he will get beat like he did vs good ones. He is undersized. Reece ate him alive. If he ever made the NBA or plays professionally he won't be guarding centers and it's not ideal even in college. Tomi will be guarding most centers not Rez. There is a reason why too. We can disagree. I'll side the largest sports network in the entire world and you can disagree it's fine. Ben Wallace would still be a great power forward today. Rebounding and playing D. That's why Rez is compared to him. When they introduced starting lines with Tomi. Tomi was announced at center and Rez at forward. Rez was out if need and why we need to add another big guy in this off season.
 
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