99% is because of NIL and the ability to transfer without consequences. Coaches can't hold players accountable or do anything that makes a player's family feel like they are being screwed over or they can just transfer and get more money. All a player has to do is say "I'm being paid this amount here at Illinois" and Kansas says "pft. You are worth more then that. We will give you this amount" and off they go.
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I would guess the increased ratings are most likely attributed to how popular gambling/DFS are nowadays.
sacraig
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Concerned? Well past that point. Healthy organizations don't have turnover like this. And we know it isn't just money, because we've had it with coaches, too.
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RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
Curious how you failed to mention Tomi’s rebounding. And you don’t think a #4 rebounder can’t be replaced?
sacraig
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He clearly does with some of the players. There is clearly favoritism playing a role here.
Come on. Everyone has his number. They will certainly be calling him in the future, and he will be there for them. /s
Ummmmm did you notice when Morez was getting in games he collected fouls like they were gold. Morez held himself back. Plus BU had to win games. Morez was a liability
I think I tend to agree with you.. Problem is, whatever role you're in, you shouldn't be showing favoritism. It's impossible to make everyone happy, I fully acknowledge that.. But he seems to be making the majority salty, not happy
How many 5 star recruits does Matt Painter have on his roster. He's a believer in system recruits and development. Our fans here would want to DESTROY Brad if he didn't bring in a top 15 class with NBA prospects.
Izzo does the same thing. You don't see MSU chasing one and dones. He's a system guy that is only interested in guys who commit to the program and not the NBA after one year.
Our fans wouldn't accept that style of recruiting. This off-season is a great example. Here we are again with our main targets who want to be drafted in a year. What do you expect is going to happen?
How many players off of Purdue are going to be drafted? They'll be back for year four because they committed to the program, not the NBA.
Our fans would absolutely lose their minds with an off-season like that. They have coaches that don't believe in the portal and lean on development.
That's not us. We're chasing Dame Sarr and are trying to come up with 7 figures to bring other transfers in.
We’ll see how close to reality this ends up being. Are you using the old tried and true cover your eyes and start throwing darts?
This might be borderline hostile work environment at the very least.
we are counting this year as underperforming? I can't get there. We finished right where people that we would. Of course we all want more.
Our offensive scheme included an emphasis on attacking the offensive glass
You aren't going to give credit for the scheme that was implemented?
lol this is just hilarious. You can literally say that about anything and anyone in this universe. You are one little fast swimmer beating the others…from not getting born in this world.
College basketball is one of the most volatile sports. It’s all about maximizing your odds. And you have to be good and lucky in this business
Exactly and Morez not wanting to focus on being in the paint was a problem. His value to us was toughness and eating class. His value to himself is putting NBA video on tape, while taking a shot at Kofi on the way out.
Yup insiders seemed giddey last year to recruit over and push guys out.
McGuppin
- Chicago via Central IL
Agree...I wonder why? Insert "fart-noise" response when asked by a reporter about one of his players.
wettsten
- Chicago
clearly the reason he's transferring is to get away from whistle happy big ten refs. the rest was all smoke and mirrors.
RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
Last year in the portal we lost:
Luke Goode
Coleman Hawkins
Sencire Harris
Amani Hansberry
Nico Moretti
Dain Dainja
Brandon Lieb
Only one of those players played in the NCAA tournament this year.
The previous year we lost
RJ Melendez
Jayden Epps
Skyy Clark
Benjamin Bosman Verdonk
Two of those players never again played in the NCAA tournaments. The other two had to transfer to a third team for that to happen.
Even before that we lost
Adam Miller
Andre Curbelo
Jacob Grandeson
Miller and Curbelo flamed out at multiple schools. Grandeson rode the bench for Duke. He did see tourney action though.
So you’ll excuse me when I don’t wring my hands over players going out when those coming in have all had consistent trips to the NCAA Tournament. I mean, Tre White’s only tourney experience came this year. I’m pretty sure he’s replaceable.
sacraig
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Whatever the real issues are, it's clear they have created a culture problem. Culture keeps players and employees invested and more likely to stay. Culture is also important in building consistency and teamwork. We struggle with all of these.
Brad's program is the co-winningest in the conference in recent years, and that's great. It's probably directly tied to the massive increase in talent level since he took over and since donors could be more directly involved.
But raw talent alone may win lots of games, but it doesn't win championships. I'm fairly confident that Brad can keep winning lots of games. I'm increasingly unconfident than he can consistently win championships (B1G or higher).
Losing Tim Anderson and Chester Frazier were much bigger losses than anyone wanted to admit, both from a relationship with standpoint and in terms of roster management and overall strategy. Replacing Tim and Chester with Tyler and his friend as yes men leaves just Antigua to check Brad, and that is a problem.
Not joining the emotional overreaction.
Still a B for this season. Plus whatever happens this offseason is on next season’s grade
I'm just throwing this out there even though I don't believe in Ben and I don't want to keep Hamer-
Starting next year there will be 15 total scholarship roster spots, does it really matter if one goes to Ben in a non-starter role? The Illini under Underwood have been pretty lean roster-wise, so lean we use the transfer portal to get walk-ons.
Before we get rid of Hamer, we still have Kwa occupying Tim Anderson's spot. Do people just assume Brad will demote Kwa back down? Is that a done deal? Because I feel like I haven't seen enough talk on the concerning possibility that Kwa is keeping that spot and a real indication of the coaching clown show.
Starting next year there will be 15 total scholarship roster spots, does it really matter if one goes to Ben in a non-starter role? The Illini under Underwood have been pretty lean roster-wise, so lean we use the transfer portal to get walk-ons.
Before we get rid of Hamer, we still have Kwa occupying Tim Anderson's spot. Do people just assume Brad will demote Kwa back down? Is that a done deal? Because I feel like I haven't seen enough talk on the concerning possibility that Kwa is keeping that spot and a real indication of the coaching clown show.
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